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93 cavalier with 2.2 to late 90's 2.2-2.4????? HELP!!!!!

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93 cavalier with 2.2 to late 90's 2.2-2.4????? HELP!!!!!

Rlm77racing Rlm77racing
New User | Posts: 4 | Joined: 08/13
Posted: 08/03/13
10:20 PM

i was given a 1993 Chevy cavalier to build a front wheel drive race car with but the block is locked up and i could rebuild the motor but i was given a 4 cylinder dohc engine out of a late 90's model sunfire. could be a 2.2/2.3/2.4 the guy said it was a 2.2 but i doubt hes even looked at it. will i be able to use that motor in the cavalier or not. i thought as long as i got the computer and harness it should work but i read some stuff that says that you cant. i could use any information you guys could give me. Confused  

waynep712222 waynep712222
User | Posts: 103 | Joined: 03/13
Posted: 08/04/13
04:35 AM

whats legal in the class you are running??? is the most important thing..

if you are NOT familiar with both engines.. although they both came in the J bodies you have.. there are significant differences in how they hook up..

its going to be easier to find a good 2.2 and drop that in.. or go thru it and drop in the used/rebuilt 2.2...

all the accessories and exhaust are different between the 2 motor designs.

a few things on the motors..

2.2 push rod motors loose a lot of spark plugs..  so you might want to install solid spark plug inserts if you have the engine apart..    if you decide to perform this on the 2.2.. there is a special spark plug insert tap that is like 6 or 7 inches long..  prior to those coming out.. i took the taps to the muffler shop along with a 7/16"-14 coupling nut.. clamped them end to end in the shop vice and had them weld them while pinched.. this created an extension on the spark plug insert tap.. i could then grind the big part of the hex off so i could use these on 2.2 motors as the spark plugs are way down in a cavity.. please note what brand the insert tool is.. as only that brand of solid inserts will fit..  2.2 spark plug solid inserts can be installed with the engine in the car.. just grease the flutes of the tap to capture the bits of metal..

if you have the head off either.. please spread a THIN layer of hylomar on both sides of the head gaskets.. let it hang for 30 minutes to evaporate the solvents.. this will save you from blown head gaskets and combustion gasses into the cooling system and engine oil..

pick up a 4 buck tube of dielectric tune up grease..

this goes around the spark plug boots but not on the metal contacts .. this prevents the high voltage spark from leaking out along the sides of the spark plugs..

on quad 4 motors.. you have to assemble the coil packs and spark plug boots with dielectric tune up grease on the green seal devices and in both ends of the coil boots.. but again.. not on the metal pieces.. or the coil pack assembly will FAIL and cause misfires that will drive you mad..   quad 4 and the 2.2 also need spark plug anti seize on the spark plug threads..

there are some articles offsite.. over at engine builder dot com.. about rebuilding the 2.2 gm  and i think there may be two of them on the quad 4 rebuilds..

oh... and a huge hint.. about the transmissions..

there are various stall speed converters available.. please don't peal the plastic label off the converter.. that's the only way to tell the difference.. charts are available in torque converter catalogs...

there are various transfer chain set ratios and various final drive gear sets..

so you can really fine tune the gear ratios depending on what track you are at..  these are not something  that you can easily change at the track.. but something that you can build into the transmission ..  both the 125C transmissions and the 440R4 transmissions have this ability for swapping around gear ratios..  

there are lists on the web about the different gear ratios and final drives..

i don't know how GM handled the manual transmission versions for gear ratios.. i only saw them in some fieros and in cimmeron caddys.. i know there are more..

there is one great article online.. about building the 440T4 for drag racing.. i don't even recall what it was called or where i found it online.. but i think i might have a PDF copy.. but i would have to search like crazy for it.  

Rlm77racing Rlm77racing
New User | Posts: 4 | Joined: 08/13
Posted: 08/04/13
10:08 AM
that's a list of the rules i know the dohc motors are faster than the 2.2's cause we have an 01 cavalier we race to. so i figured this would give me an edge beings its a faster motor. we run standard tranys and once you hit second that's where it stays unless on a restart. i thought butting a dohc motor would be challenging but i like a challenge weather or not it can be done or not i don't know but we have always been  things work that don't belong so i figured its do able but it wont be easy i have till may of next year to figure it out and if it don't work its nothing to rebuild the 2.2 in the garage either way i know loop holes in the rules and if i rebuild a 2.2 i will use then. another thing we are running i 1/5th mile high banked dirt track. i just swapped a 2.2 tbi in my cousins car almost by myself and it was my first motor swap but i also found it a little to easy i just think it would be cool to stick what could be a 2.4 in a 2.2 car.

Another thing is are the trany bolt patterns the same or could that also be a problem?  

waynep712222 waynep712222
User | Posts: 103 | Joined: 03/13
Posted: 08/04/13
11:12 AM

GM metric pattern
GM 60deg V6 bellhousing.JPG

   Also called the GM small corporate pattern and the S10 pattern

This pattern has a distinctive odd-sided hexagonal shape. Rear wheel drive applications have the starter mounted on the right side of the block (when viewed from the flywheel) and on the opposite side of the block than front wheel drive. The 2.2l S10/Sonoma had the starter located in the same position as front wheel drive cars. A rear wheel drive bellhousing is displayed at right.

   GM 2.8/3.1/3.4/3.5/3.9 L V6 (also used by AMC)
   Buick 3300/3800 V6
   Cadillac 4.1/4.5/4.9 L V8
   Isuzu 3.5L DOHC V6
   AMC/Chrysler 2.5L I4 found in Jeep Cherokee, Comanche, Wagoneer, CJ and Wrangler and Dodge Dakota
   GM Iron Duke/Tech-4 2.5L I4
   GM "122" 1.8/2.0/2.2 L I4
   GM 5.3L LS4 V8
   GM 3.5L LX5 "Short Star" V6

GM Metric Bellhousing Pattern Zps0808f8cc


Northstar pattern

Nearly identical to the GM small corporate/metric pattern, except that the starter is located between the cylinder banks, and the lower right bolt hole is moved outward by roughly one inch. Being nearly identical, it too has the distinctive odd-sided hexagonal shape. These engines can be fitted in Rear Wheel Drive vehicles with the right bellhousing and are used in hot rods, kit cars, sand rails and late model engine swaps.

   All Cadillac Northstar V8's
   Oldsmobile Aurora L47 V8

GM 4-cylinder pattern
   GM Quad-4 family

GM Ecotec 4-cylinder pattern
   GM Ecotec Family II

GM High Feature V6 pattern
GM High Feature Family

does not look like the north star will bolt up to a 2.2 pattern..  

Rlm77racing Rlm77racing
New User | Posts: 4 | Joined: 08/13
Posted: 08/04/13
12:58 PM

the guy that has the motor says it will bolt right up and by looking at it it appears that it one way another ill probably try it. i have till April so i have plenty of time. just wanted someone else opinion thanks for all the help though you've been really informative.

you do realize they are all 4 cylinder engines with pretty much the same lower end right?? Confused  

waynep712222 waynep712222
User | Posts: 103 | Joined: 03/13
Posted: 08/04/13
11:20 PM

you do realize they are all 4 cylinder engines with pretty much the same lower end right??

sure do.. but the QUAD 4 is a different beast..  some reading...  will it bolt right up?? since you have a metric diagram above and a loose motor.. measure it..  

Rlm77racing Rlm77racing
New User | Posts: 4 | Joined: 08/13
Posted: 08/06/13
01:23 PM

there is no reason they shouldn't. ill try it no matter whats said, i was told by a mechanic they will bolt right up and i highly doubt its the quad 4. i'm going to look at it tomorrow so ill find out,