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1starking 1starking
New User | Posts: 7 | Joined: 01/13
Posted: 01/18/13
08:13 PM

Hey guys, i'm new to site and want to trying and build good muscle cars, and need some helpful ideas. I want to go with a 427, 454, or lsx 454. Or i may even go with a small zz350 or 383.

First, of all I want tire burning, yet speed fast camaro. Using a Automatic trans. Carb only. I do not want use nos or anything like that, but street legal on pump gas. Willing to use procharger, supercharger, or blower. Want to make between 750-850 horses with the zz350 or 383 about 500-600 horses. I know the lsx454 makes about 620 horses, but heard they are differ with parts.

I was thinking about going stock engines and add a good blower or procharger. Then, I read they are not to good on stock engines. Willing to go stock and make few changes with aftermarket parts or start with good block* and go with my own add ons such as heads, cams, headers, and etc.

I had wanted a 9 sec or less car.
*Perfer block already built in the inside.
All commits welcome
This is also my first one  

68scott385 68scott385
Enthusiast | Posts: 669 | Joined: 05/09
Posted: 01/18/13
09:47 PM

What is your budget like for this?  
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tuffnuff tuffnuff
Moderator | Posts: 1376 | Joined: 12/09
Posted: 01/19/13
08:55 AM

Best of luck finding 850 horse.,. on your first build.
Let's hope someone chimes in, who can help you.

Smile  
When The Flag Drops.,.

tuffnuff

The Bull ***t Stops.,.
tuffnuff

P. Engineer, Engine Builder

redneckjoe69 redneckjoe69
Enthusiast | Posts: 388 | Joined: 04/10
Posted: 01/19/13
09:13 AM

i want a fast camaro like that too!

  welcome to CC.   your goals are lofty and expensive.    the best of all worlds,...pump gas friendly, high horsepower, street legal, 9 second car, with bolt-ons.  

   its gonna take a fat wallet.  

1starking 1starking
New User | Posts: 7 | Joined: 01/13
Posted: 01/19/13
11:20 AM

About 15,000  

1starking 1starking
New User | Posts: 7 | Joined: 01/13
Posted: 01/19/13
11:26 AM

Well, from the first reply it already sounds like that is going to be hard and expensive job. So, with the engines and the way I want to go about what kind of power will i be getting.  

68scott385 68scott385
Enthusiast | Posts: 669 | Joined: 05/09
Posted: 01/19/13
02:19 PM

What do you have to start with, right now, in the driveway/garage? Be specific, year, engine CID, transmission, rear gear ratio, any modifications already done, etc.  
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1starking 1starking
New User | Posts: 7 | Joined: 01/13
Posted: 01/19/13
03:08 PM

I have a 1970 camaro z28 body no engine or transmission, as for the engine I wanted to buy a stock and do some to that. Basically i'm starting from the ground up. I talk to one guy and told I may better off buying a engine already modified with that kind of power. So, I may settle a good stock engine or a good build hi performance engine. I still it to be a 427, 454, zz4 350, zz383, or lsx454. I need to know of these will give better power for its price on the street not racing. Automatic trans, I need a good recommand for that as well.

I am a rookie to muscle cars and its engines, but I came to good some good ideas and prices before I start purchasing anything. Disregard the horses i'm looking for right now. Just need to wants know the best engine to go with for some good power.

What ever one can give me as for muscle cars is more than welcome  

redneckjoe69 redneckjoe69
Enthusiast | Posts: 388 | Joined: 04/10
Posted: 01/19/13
03:59 PM

heres a shortblock i would consider building if i could afford it.    
http://www.jegs.com/i/Dart/301/03124272/10002/-1

 im sure others will have some ideas for ya.   nice year camaro by the way! Cool  

68scott385 68scott385
Enthusiast | Posts: 669 | Joined: 05/09
Posted: 01/19/13
04:45 PM

When it's time for a transmission, this is the place I'd go, if it was me.


http://www.bowtieoverdrives.com/index.shtml

Eaton posi unit, Moser axles, and 3.73 gears from Motive, IF it was my money & because I own and have had good experiences with these parts.  
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pepsi1 pepsi1
Enthusiast | Posts: 301 | Joined: 10/11
Posted: 01/19/13
09:13 PM

Jegs has a Pat Musi 555CI 676HP 649FtLbs torque $15,300 no carb no intake no distributor. You can see how things add up. Figure on loosing 20% to 25% Horse Power through the drive-line.

Jegs P/N 350-49550  $15,300

Bob  

1starking 1starking
New User | Posts: 7 | Joined: 01/13
Posted: 01/20/13
12:23 PM

Thanks  

1starking 1starking
New User | Posts: 7 | Joined: 01/13
Posted: 01/20/13
12:25 PM

Ok, thanks for the tips, I going to check out the 555ci Bob is talking  

idrivejunk idrivejunk
Guru | Posts: 1050 | Joined: 12/09
Posted: 01/21/13
05:31 AM

I know a guy running one of those Edelbrock / Pat Musi 555s in a quarter million dollar red 69 Camaro. He has been pleased with it, just had a lot of trouble getting the EFI set up right. I had to sit in it and hold the throttle once for about ten minutes because it wouldn't idle cold. I felt cool, if that helps! Don't know much else about it. Runs fine now.  
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TheSilverBuick TheSilverBuick
Guru | Posts: 1226 | Joined: 02/06
Posted: 01/21/13
07:43 AM

As these guys mention, better start breaking out the check book. Might have to go to Vegas and triple your money if you are going for 9's.

You can go junkyard LS with a turbo for cheap enough, but you'll have to do all the labor and EFI wiring. But you want a carb, so not sure that'll work out for you on the cheap.

Once you have a power plant, you'll have at around a grand in a trans if you do it yourself, but I'm guessing you'll have to kick out $2,000-$3,000 for a trans that will take a 9 second run reliably.

How's the rear axle in the car you have? Even a stock 9" will likely shatter like glass on a 9 second run.  You'll likely need upgrades beyond simple axles, especially if you have the stock 8.2" or 8.5" rear.  Consider this another $2,000-$3,000 expense.

What's the cage like in the car? Unless you don't plan on running at the track. A 9.00 cage can be several thousand dollars unless you already have a tube bender and welding skills.

And what do you expect the car to weigh when you have it together? It'll have to be under 3,000lbs for 850HP to push it into the 9's, and that'll be tough to do street legal.

There is definitely some refining to do on either your goals, your budget or your skill set.

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A shame someone can spend a quarter million dollars and can't get someone to tune warm up on the EFI engine.  It's not rocket science.  
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