Hey FordBlueBalls4life, does the BB in your name represent the size of your balls. Also I can't beleive that you would even post that your motor makes 400 hp, I can make that much power taking a sh*t.

My Camaro has a 406 SBC that makes 650HP and that is without the NOS. The juice adds another 350HP, that is 1000HP on tap, compared to your pathetic 400HP, my car will blow your piece of *** off the face of the planet. And if you need to know more about my camaro or you need to learn how to build a real motor just look at some of my discussions. I have gone into great detail in some of them.

And you think that mach is some great car, I raced a '69 Boss 429 with my stock '96 Z28 and smoked him like there was no tomorrow. Those cars were fast for their time but todays technology makes them look like hay wagons.

Also you need to look at some of the dyno shootouts in the magazine's. I have seen stock camaro's put out close to the same HP as the manufacturer rate them at. But the biggest farse was when they dyno'd a new Mustang that was suppose to have 300+ HP and it only put out 260 HP on the dyno. It just proves that ford lies about the power their cars make. And that 4.6 motor is a pile of sh*t. And don't think that the General can't keep up with new technology, what ever the others do, GM will have an answer. And on the topic of over head cam motors doesn't GM have a pushrod motor that dominates Indy, or was that Mercedes.

Anyway your Stupidity really has been shining today, and any day you want to go at it I'm ready.  

I think the point is not that Ford spent big $$$ on the GT40 program, but it's that Ford stepped up and GM didn't (and hasn't).

I kind of like Michael Schumacher.  Which reminds me . . . he won his first World Driving Championship in a Ford . . . before he was lured away by a $26 Million per year paycheck.

On the Corvette v. GT:  Of course, SVT sells the 2003 Cobra at about $10,000 less than a Corvette.  It's more than a match for any 'Vette except the LS-6 (with only a pulley change and drag radials necessary to put one well past GM's "fantastic" plastic).

Sure, I'd prefer the GT to be priced more like a Viper than a Porsche. But it's a world class sports car competing against mid-engine thoroughbreds twice its price. 

The real matter of the fact here is that GM doesn't need to step up. Your comparing an exotic car to a production car. Now lets take your GT40 and leave it stock and take the LS6 vette and dump the $50,000 price difference into the vette. I'm pretty sure that if you dump 50 grand into a vette it will smoke that GT40 off the planet. You could probably do it for under 10 grand. The GT40 is for dorks that like to pay a lot for a little, and need to compensate for thier d*ck size. You can get a lot of bang for the buck with a vette in this case.

And forget about all the magazine article hype on the power output of these cars. Lets take a LS6 Vette and SVT Cobra mustang, put them at the christmas tree and see who crosses the finish line first. My bets are on the Vette.

I really DON'T GIVE A RATSASS ABOUT TC CAMREO!!!!! Yeah IT has a 406 STROKER!!! LET ME GIVE A AN EXAMPLE!! A 1963 Ford THunder BOLT with a 427 High Riser was BLOWING DOORS off OF 454 BBS in the 60's, Fords 460SCJ was doing it in 70's, and 1985 NON Fuel injected GT MUSTANG WAS the fastest Production Car of its time, now that MUSTANGS went DOWN HILL!!!! The CORVETTE  IS COOL but SHAKEY!!! I think Dodges 5.7 HEMI motor is the Best Production car  in the 2003!!!

So tell TC Cool for is STREET Drag car, but what about his EVERYDAY DRIVER!!!

you think a 406 is a stroker motor huh, boy you dont know anything about gas engines, stick to diesels my friend

Man, you need desperately to pick up a copy of Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords (instead of only reading Camaro Craft).  They are a growing number of '03 Cobras DEEP in the 10s with little more than bolt on parts and drag radials (no modifications to the long block).    That's with only 281 cubic inches!

So if one "dumped" the price difference between an '03 Cobra and an ZO-6 Vette into the Cobra, you'd have to get a NHRA competition licence to drive it. 

Dead stock for dead stock, the ZO-6 barely beats the '03 Cobra in the quarter (Not to mention the ZO-6's nearly $20,000 price premium for a handful of 10ths).  But a couple of hours spinning wrenches and the Cobra will give the expensive Vette morning sickness.  Where's the bang-for-buck value now?

Your Vette-v-GT observations sound exactly like the anti-Viper rationalizations Vette fans have been consoling themselves with for a decade.

Do you know why ford "stepped up" they were pissed off at ferrari for not selling out like they thought they were going too. As for ms give me, Gib, or TC 26 million and see what we can do.  

26 doesn't go quite as far these days . . . .  

I'm wondering if the NEW GT will make it back to LeMans?  That'd give the Corvette and Ferrari camps something to think about.

Dude, a 406 is a 400 Block BOREDE or a 427 B DESTROKED, LIke a 307 is a Destroked350or a 327. A 305 is a DESTROKED 327. So It still is a DRAGGER on the Strip, Now if it was on the STREET I would have to Agree with you both, but I will never know will I. AND I AM SORRY THAT I DISSED ON GMS, At LEAST they got rid of OLDS!!!  

I hate to contradict a fellow Ford man, but  I still recall a few facts from my days on the GM "dark side."

The fairly wussy SBC 307 was a 283 stroked with a 327 crank (reminds me of a guy with a 307-Powerglide 69 Camaro, with a 308-degree (adv.) solid lifter cam, Hooker Super Competitions,  and a 650 double pumper on a single plane Edelbrock.  Dog-city until about 35 m.p.h.  Shift at 90 m.p.h. (no tach . . . .)

The very wussy SBC 305 was a de-bored 350 (and no, you can't bore out a 305 to 350)

The very rare and good SBC 302 was a 327 destroked with a 283 crank.

Trivia:  The SBC came stock as 262 (70s Monza), 265 (55-56), 267 (late 70s-early 80s), 283 ('57-'67), 302 ('67-'69) 305 (so awful no one cares), 307('68-mid 70s), 327('62-69), 350 ('67-a couple of months ago), 400 ('69?-'76).

OKay SO I was wrong, so you can tell I HATE GMS!! I have a Uncle who is putting a CRATE 360 in a 1982 Firebird with T TOPS!!! He does not understand that the Frame connectors ARE TOO WEAK AND THE TRANNY ARM WILL SNAP IN TWO!!! He Thinks that he can put a 10 Piont Roll Cage and it will hold with I have no CLUE why he wants a 360 in a CRAPPY CAR LIKE THAT!!!

360? MoPar?  

destroked 427, what kinda dope are you on? you want to find a manufacturer that makes a crank with less than 3.75 stroke for big block chevy? and you say you just dont know anything about chevy's, hah you wouldnt even know anything about fords

hey small BlueBalls4life a 406 is a small block not a destroked big block. I must say you have really showed us how much you know about motors. And that piece of *** you call a mustang will never go fast with you behind the wheel, your balls are too small, maybe we should start calling you "Baby Blue Balls."

I bet you bought that car just the way it is and don't even work on it, you probably take it to a shop and pay big money to keep the pile of *** on the road. You probably haven't ever seen the inside of a motor before. Just talking out your ass.

Also I have looked at some ford mags lately and all those 4.6's  making a lot of power are using blowers or turbos. Lets see how much HP you can get out of one naturally aspirated. Or lets make things fair I'll put a 871 blower on my motor run alcohol and make like 1500 HP and then I'll hit the NOS. You still think that 4.6 is going to keep up. You can make any car run good times with a blower or NOS, but a real man can do it with all motor.  

" . . .but a real man can do it with all motor."

That's just silly.  "All motor" has nothing to do with masculinity or the size of one's testicles.  It has to do with either building to fit a restrictive rules package (or restrictive budget package) or a personal preference toward wildly cammed, race gas guzzling, tempramental "street" cars.

Which makes more sense:  a 540 cube, aftermarket block, 14:1 compression, sheet-metal intake, solid roller "all motor" BBC that drinks $4/gallon VP-116 or a scienced-out, modern forced induction small block that you can drive on pump gas everyday with the AC on and the tunes blasting?

A fair number of the "all motor" faithful have no idea how to build and tune a forced induction engine. They cover it with chest-pounding expressions of prejudice.  Sad, really.

I was impressed in the '80s when the turbocharged 3.8 Buicks made mad power on less than 300 cubes. And I'm impressed that some people now have stock-block 281 Cobras in the 9s.  That they don't go purely "all motor" is of no concern to me.