Ah yes, Camaro Craft (formerly "Car Craft") rigs another shootout wherein the Bowtie squeakes out a win.

To insure it, CC sets the maximum price limit so low that Ford's best factory cast-iron Windsor head (Part no. M-6049-N351) misses the cut and then CC saddles the 351W with a wimpier cam than either the MoPar or the Stovebolt lumps.

But the Camaro Craft Vortec mill sported modified  heads and a scad of non-stock valvetrain parts.  

To add insult to injury, all of the photos of the victorious V-8 are double-sized and sport perfect "swap meet" chrome valve covers. (poor Ford and Chrysler had to make do with bland, rattle-canned stock covers)

I smell set up!

Whoever picked the Ford cam was a *** Rigged? Maybe, maybe not. And given the choice of crappy swap meet chrome valve covers or stock painted ones, I'll go for the stockers any day.  

Yeah, but the "bling-bling krazy" kids who accidently pick up a Camaro Craft instead of Sport Compact Car or Import Tuner will automatically think "shiny is better."  

Make a simple change to Roller Rockers and that Chevy would be crying for help as the MOPAR stomped all over it.  

Well, I guess the MoPar suffered from the mini-budget as well.

Not really, it was only down by a miniscule amount of power, then consider that it used 30 year old un-ported heads and a verrry slightly smaller cam than the Chevy, it was a pretty good contender.  I'm just happy it made over 400 horsepower, because hopefully we'll be folowing a similiar plan with my 360 this winter, only I'll use 340 heads and do a little home porting, slightly smaller cam, possible a single plane intake, and a 200 shot of laughing gas.  

Sweet!  That'll tide you over until the 5.7 Hemi starts taking over der MoPar fatherland.

I'm always entertained by Steve's Duster over at Hot Rod.  I miss the "Hyperpacked leaning tower of power," though.  

That 5.7 hemi beloongs in the trucks it comes in.  I'd never put a modern engine in an old car, that's just not right.  This Dart is staying 360 all the way.  After I get out of the Army, or at least in a couple years, I hope to get a '69 SuperBee that will eventually have a hemi, but you can bet it won't be a 5.7   

I respect that.

However, from back in the days of swapping flathead V-8s into Model As,  Car Crafting has always involved updating older cars with later power.   The 5.7 Hemi is a cool piece. If they build enough, it will become a premiere MoPar swap choice.  I guarantee it.

I'd be tempted to go with a "426" (enlarged to 528" of course) Elephant in an A-body, though . . .  a homage to Sox & Martin's 1970 Pro Stock Duster . . . .

Yeah, a tunnel rammed/roller cammed 528" elephant would fit nicely under the hood of the Dart, but there's something about a $12000engine that requires a bulletproof driveline that doesn't ring well with my current budget.  That's why I'm hoping that 4 years of getting paid $1200 a month to wade through swamps at 4 AM with nothing to buy but beer will benifit the Hemi fund 

i happen to think henry's the only one with brains in the shoot-out,

i'm not a ford guy, but that's the only mill that could be put in an "real"

street car, 3500-4000 loose converters are for the strip, and i really like

power disc brakes that don't hit the floor every time you hit them,

and for good measure, NICE "STREET MOTORS" that are dyno'ed with

no real world equipment, like alt, water pumps, the whole article was

misleading to all 

Yeah the Ford was deffinetely the most tamable of the 3.  But just because there's a big cam doesn't mean it's not streetable.  A vacume canister could easily solve the power brake issue, and loose torque convertor? Forget that, real cars have clutches, not convertors.  That's another one of the things I hate about autos, there's no way you could daily drive a 4000 stall car, but the same engine with a manual you could let the clutch out a bit higher (not quite 4000 RPM though) and get by.  But I think when magazines say an engine is streetable, they mean for some 40 year old man that needs to putt the kids to school and wants a smooth idle and no noise.  That's not my idea of a street car.  The engine trying to die at stops from so much cam, shaking the whole car when it idles, and smelling like gasoline 24/7 is all part of the fun for me.  I aint never seen a pump gas motor that I wouldn't drive on the street.

"real cars" have autos too.  Some of us don't have room for a wicked six or five speed or similar ilk...

For one a 3500 stall is very streetable, I've ran one in my car for years and so have a lot of my friends. I think that none of you have ever drove a car with a high stall converter. When you drive the car normally the converter works just like a converter is suppose to work. But when you stab the gas the converter will slip to the stall speed it is suppose to have. It is not like you have to be doing 3500 rpm to just get moving.

And for two, it just shows that you get more for your money with a chevy. The ford had full roller rockers(worth about 20-30HP), were the Chevy and Mopar had stamped steel rocker, and the mopar had the biggest cam with 312/322 advertised duration to the chevy's 300/308, and fords 290/294. Even at .050 the mopar had 242/252 to chevy's 244/252 and ford had 234/238, here chevy and mopar are about the same. And in lift the ford had the most lift with 559/569 to mopars 528/552 and chevy had the smallest lift at 516/525. Also the Mopar had the biggest valves at 2.02/1.6, chevy had 1.94/1.5, and ford had the smallest valves with 1.85/1.46. Yes the ford was lacking in cam and valve size, but do you think the extra 10 degree or so of duration will gain the ford the extra 50 HP  it will need to compete with the chevy and mopar. I don't think so. Just think without the roller rockers the ford probably wouldn't of even made 350 HP. Put roller rockers on the chevy or mopar and watch them make close to 450 HP.

I think this really shows how fords are not the motor to build. Well at least not a 351 windsor.  

well I was refering to 4 speeds anyway, I can't afford no 5 speed.

TubbedCamaro, sure you can drive fine with a high stall convertor, but if you drive the car as your only form of transportation the trans fluid is bound to get real hot with all that stall.  And what if you had to go higher? Like 4000, or 4300.

As for the Ford, I don't care what any of the junkyard builder stock parts Mustang guys tell you.  The GT40P heads are ####.  They could have made more power with 60s Windsor heads with some minor valve work, and for cheaper.