FORD 4 EVER!!!

It took you 3 days to come up with that responce, your right lets just keep this to cars. I think anything more would be over your head. And did I say anything about homosexuals, "NO". But if you feel a little insecure about your sexualality don't let me stop you from coming out of the closet.  

3.8 Cracking head Cracker , wasn't very rare in my shop . You are bad Ford Public Relations person .

NEWSFLASH , CHEVROLET wins 2003 NASCAR manufacturers championship ..........AGAIN

FORD 1969 champ ........................long gap ................1992

LETS RAISE THE QUARTERS AND LOWER THE ROOFS , Michael Kranefuss 1991 1994

Bill Ford .....

Fruit of loins CEO , being born into the job , golden sperm club etc etc .

At least Edsel 2 did not get the nod from the powers that be  . I still remember that incoherent ( drunken ? ) speech he gave @ Winston Cup awards .

You know I think I'm lost now, this is just getting out of control. "Golden Sperm"??? "Bill Ford"??? I thought it was Henry. "Fruit of Lions"??? you sure your not hanging out with old SausageStroker57?  

ok. everybody loves the engines that they have and swear they are the best. wanna know something. the 427 was pulled because it was not a production engine. Nascar had a rule that all engines had to be production engines at the time.  Ford said it was but they weren't. I know this because one of my friends had to set up the machines to make it look like they were going down the production line but it was all faked just for inspection purposes.  Don't get me wrong I love the 427. I am a mopar guy when it comes to classic and a ford guy when it comes to the new (chrysler has nothing I like, performance wise).  All engines have good and bad. I am finishing a 340 for my challenger that should be around 450hp before the nitrous. I am not looking for mustangs or camaros. just cocky people like you that think that their way is the only way  

reply: Meaning Bill Ford did not earn his job , he was born into it .  

But then won't it streatch more when you retorque it (after measuring it) or do you not have to take the bolt out to measure it?  

FORD GUYS LET ME PUT THE YOUNGSTER IN HIS PLACE.

ITS 2003 your current r skylines are running what inline six and twin turbo cars and only produce times at 280 hp of a GNX grand national or a 89tta . Also take 8 psi of boost on a 3.8 liter mustang today and you will dip into the 13s with almost no other mods.

Inline six banger is the best imports can come up with HELLO THE V engine period is new technology to a inline six thats been around since the 20s so what you have over head cams thats only the 50s at best.

Also to point out over head cams in most imports have never out run domestic vehicles. Take the nsx or the current R34 skyline there 280 hp rated and 2800 pound cars yet the single cam v6 turbo GNX or 89tta trans am with single came cars and 3800 pound cars arent getting beat by 80 thousand dollar ricers. BEst imports have done with inline six and twin turbo is duplicate american 80s times not exceed them.

At no standing point in automotive history has the over head cam designe been superior to single came engines. It is and always will be nothing more than another way to build a mouse trap . For the record there are 6000hp nhra push rod motors not over head cam engines. Ford guys are currently worken on that one. Key word FORD not imports.

Also AMG concept engine in the E55 concept what duplicaten the svt cobra or a sohc gt engine and use a eaton style supercharger in a sedan style car just like the mustang. (if the mustang was a import it would be a sedan since its bigger than accord camary or m3 today) .Not only that AMG did this sadly since there usen blower and sohc motor the SVT cobra uses dual over head cam engine eaton style supercharger and liquid intercooler. Also for the record a stock SVT cobra does high 12s today same as the 100 thousand dollar 911 turbo.

OH the 911 turbo uses power adders and flat head engine designes. So high tech rember the Turbo is over 100 years old in its self. Exotice are fast cuase they use high compression ratios or in porsche case lots of boost and very light weight cars exotic metals and composite makes cars light but arent engineering wonders.

Oh i could talk about gmc syclones doing 13s in early 90s when the 300zx and 3000gt were doing them in pill bug light wieght cars but then it would be come a long drug out boring article then.

LETS LOOK AT THIS FROM THE FRONT SIDE OF THE HORSE NOT THE BACK.

You can argue hp to liter till your blue in the face not till your engine produce torque will you make hp.

Rember there are only two ways to make hp increase surface area on the piston or incase force down on the piston.

Torque is what moves that car going with larger displacment you gaine cost in fuels since to make same hp in a lower displacment engine you must increase compression ratios this causen you to run high octane fuels. Rember you piss all your mpg out the window when you pay for high octane fuel .

EX: the z28 ls1 camaro can run only 2 mpg less than the s2000 honda rated at 240 hp. The s2000 ,350z rx8 and audi tt would cost you  more in gas than the ls1 camaro since all are forced to run high octane fuel only where the ls1 can run a low octane fuel . Another note is to look at your comparing 2800 pound or 32000 pound compact imports to a 3800 pound car . The fact is you can build a big car get same results with a smaller displacment engine . Your always fighting physics not import vs domestic. Ls1 is far more in tech than any current import engine since its weight is that of most v6 engines all aluming heads and block and composite intake ( carbone snorkle tube isnt a intake) . Yenko knew the futur with building high compression big block aluminum engines since they disapate heat faster. Futur of engine blocks will look like this www.cnblocks.com Harly gear heads already are enjoying these styel fo engine blocks weight of alot smaller engine power with poteintal to make huge power far exceeding anything in cast iron world.

Rember this formula :

When hp and weight stays constant but displacment goes down the car goes slower. When displacment goes up the car goes faster why cuase more torque bigger pistons or stroke.

I don't give a rats ass about skylines.

I care even less for the NSX.

You are still forgetting that imports also include european cars.

I never cared about hp/L.

Trucks have more torque but they are slower.  You need to think about gearing.

I already said in Japan they have a 280 hp limit, but doesn't mean they can't make more than that.

You still don't get how to make power.  I can have HUGE bores, but if the stroke is very tiny, I end up with one small displacement engine.  But according to you, piston top area is where power is made.

You need to rethink what you are saying.

Hey Guys; I think Your kinda missing the point a bit. Let's just say I've been around for a while, OK, a long while. I'm a Ford Nut and have been since I was a Kid, mainly because when I went to high school, EVERYBODY had to have a Chevy. I ENJOY rassing Chevy Guys, But IN FUN! I've taken My share of hits too from Them!
But in all honesty BOTH Ford and Chevys can be made to run and run STRONG! The reason I jumpeedd in is because of the comment about the ratings of Ford engines HP and the one about the Cleveland 4 barrel motor.

First off the 320 HP rating You are taslking about is a gross rating at the flywheel, NOT what You get on a chassis dyno. The 260 HP You say that was achieved is AFTER all the losses through the drive train.
Secondly, I doubt You have ran a 4 barrel Cleveland motor. I know the "story" is out there that the ports are too large for the street and theoretically it might even be true, But I HAVE ran one, in a 67 Fastback Mustang, with a C-6 and 3.89 gears in the rear. I didn't notice ANY lack of bottom end torque! The point being is that SOMETIMES the hard and fast rules You are discussing don't transfer to the real world all that well. If You don't believe Me then try an experiment. Build two IDENTICAL engines, The make being Your choice, using ALL the same type of parts, cam, heads, bore, stroke, carb etc and then TRY to explain why they produce different power and torque numbers and I'd almost bet those numbers will be significantly different. Have FUN and CHALLENGE EVERYONEs advice, even the experts! That's how improvements to Our sport is accomplished! ( there's more than one way to skin a cat)