Speaking of diesels, here's some video for the Dodge and Ford guys...

http://www.theclashofthetitans.com/images/videos/vids/Diesel1.mpg

http://www.theclashofthetitans.com/images/videos/vids/Diesel2.mpg

And since I've been doing some Ford smack talk, I guess I can show this video...

http://www.unf.edu/~limr0001/random/CL_vs_94Z28.asf

ahhh, does te U.S. need a Autobahn or what

Lets talk a little about bone stock cars, a bone stock mustang with a 3.8L V6 and is putting out 190 HP, now the GT model makes 260 HP. While the stock camaro comes with a 3.8L V6 that makes 200 HP, and the Z28 model makes 310 HP. The 2004 Mach 1 mustang makes 310 HP and the 2003 Camaro SS makes 325 HP and 350 foot pounds of touque. The 2004 SVT Cobra mustang makes 390 HP and 390 foot pounds of torque, and that is with a supercharger. The Cobra only makes 40 more foot pounds of torque and 65 HP more than the SS, and we all know if you put a Vortec supercharger on a Camaro it will make 450 HP and over 400 foot pounds of torque. This is just a little comparison to show how the Camaro always makes more power than the mustang. And GM never did make a Camaro with a supercharger like ford did with the Cobra mustang, but if they would have, they would have made a lot more than 390 HP.

And speeking of the Autobahn what's up GibTG, seen the new E500 AMG's that Benz is putting out, they call it the Cobra killer with 465HP. That's bad ass, a Benz with 465HP out of a 5 liter motor, kind of makes that Cobra mustang look like a joke.

Like the man said "mustangs are for chics"  

Factory ratings don't mean ####.  We all know that LS1 SSs really make more like 290-300 RWHP stock, which is quite a lot more than 325 at the crankshaft.  Mach 1's also make about 290 at the wheels.  The 2003 Cobra makes about 385, which is more along the lines of 445 at the motor.  And, sure a Camaro with a vortech could make 450 horsepower, but keep in mind that the '03 Cobra only runs about 7 pounds of boost, at the same number the LS1 wouldn't make much more power if any.  Put a lightning blower pulley on an '03 Cobra, along with longtube headers and a good X pipe, and they make over 435 RWHP, and that's still just with 12 pounds of boost.  

I am comparing manufacture's numbers, not what you could do if you add or change stuff, or what they did on some dyno. And the only reason I said something about putting a Vortec on the Camaro is because GM never made a supercharged Camaro, and Vortec's only put out like 8lb of boost. Just face it mustangs just aren't all that. Show me a fast mustang and I'll show you a Camaro that can beat it.

And I see you have nothing to say about the Benz, that's cause you know it will smoke that Cobra.  

Or because I couldn't give two #### about some 100k+ mercedes.  Or if you read back and paid atention to anything you'd notice that I wasn't exactly touting the Cobra as the best car on the road either way, I was just stating that you're a moron and that Chevy is not the only company that has ever known how to make an engine, and their engines (I mean overall, not this stock for stock crap) are no better in any way than Ford or Chrysler.  And you might even be able to comprehend the fact that I'm not perticularly a fan of Fords in general, or any new cars for that matter.  

I'm not saying that chevy has the best motor, because everyone knows Mercedes makes the best motors. I've taken heads off old 1970's Mercedes V8's with 200,000 miles on them and they still had the hone marks in the cylinders.

And the E55 AMG has 469 HP it starts with an all-new-for-'03 E500--a seriously good place to begin--AMG adds no less than 167 horsepower via a handbuilt, supercharged 5.4-liter V-8. More impressive still is that 516 lb-ft of torque is available from 2650 to 4500 rpm. I think these number speak for themselves, 470 HP from a 4 door family car that runs 12.5's in the quarter and can be yours for about $75,000. Kind of make you wonder why did you only build a 400 HP motor and not a 500 HP motor.

Mercedes might be number 1, but Chevy is definately number 2.  

I dunno, there are a lot of guys who know how to build motors better than GM.

If anything, GM wins hands down most bang for the buck.

Even the Mosler MT900 and the turnkey Ultima GT sport them.

Feulings heavily developed a 3-valve motor because in the turbo Quad-4 in the Aerotech land speed car the metal between the exhaust ports in the 4-valve would get too hot and promote pre-ignition due to a lack of a coolant passage there.   Ford and Mercedes sought out that license.

Ford is going with a 3-valve variable valve timing truck motor.  Would like to see that in a Mustang.  And Jaquar has some decent motors.  Mercedes Benz already uses 3-valve, but primarily for emissions.

It is rumored that the next Corvette motor will have 3-valve, but still be pushrod.  As far as high-tech motors go, GM has their XV-12 for trucks and a twin cam-in-block variable valve timing/intake runner length XV-6.  I think that 430 hp is tops for the current production pushrod 5.7, so I'm expecting a change.

Ford "should" be ahead of GM in the OHC/4-valve department, but both still behind everyone else, or they can't afford it in their cars because of auto unions holding them back.

I won't deny that chevy has the most bang for your buck, but that's only because they're so popular.  If everybody from Maine to LA had a Dodge, than parts for DOdge engines would be dirt cheap.  Popularity doesn't make them better though 

I didn't say fastest production car.  I said quickest.  If I said fastest, I meant quickest.  I have heard of Ferrari they're those dagos that Ford kicked the crap of in the `60's right?  Have you ever seen one in the flesh?  I have, about 10 years ago.  They're not exactly commonplace now are they?  You are talking about a half million dollar car, I'm talking about a $35000 car, which if you add about 20000 in engine and suspension mods, would kick the Rice-a-roni car's ass.   Callaway Corvette is not a production car, it is like a Saleen Mustang, a tuner car pretty much.  I don't keep up much on late model stuff, but when one comes along that is that brutal, with get this, a 4.6 liter (thats 281 cubes for us old fossils), not a 350  or 360 inch, or even a 450-something V-10 like the competition has to use.  Ford doesn't know how to build engines, huh?  385 rwhp from a 281 sounds like they know what they're doing to me.  Now, go back to your hotwheels weenieboy.   No, I'm not a diesel mechanic, I am an upholsterer.

PS  Bugatti for 1.3 mill....I believe it, but I wouldnt give that for the whole woppy company.  If its Italian, its gonna be expensive, and gonna stay tore up 85% of the time.  GIve me domstic anytime, even if it has to be a Chevrolet, it's still better than any import.

I agree speed is cool, but why have something you are afraid to open up.  It's a moot point for all of us on this forum anyway, as all of our combined incomes couldn't buy one and keep it running long enough to drive it.

Benz...smoke a Cobra...ROFLMFAO at TubbedCamaro.....

Go back to the crackpipe...mebbe trim the mullet up a tad.....

Dude...12.5s in the quarter for $75000?  Cobra runs 12.teens in the quarter for $35000.  It's still a Krautmobile.  Who cares how many wine glasses you can stack on the engine while it's running?  When it's all said and done, it's still just an overpriced, luxury Volkswagen.  Hone marks in the bore with 200,000 miles?  I doubt it, probably ring fragments eating the heck out of the third rate steel engine block.  

That Benz has a 470 HP motor and runs 12.5's in the quarter. I'd say it'll give it a run. And it is a family car, four doors and all and 4000 pounds on top of it. Mustangs are a joke.  

"We all know that LS1 SSs really make more like 290-300 RWHP stock . . ."

Of course that would be "made" considering that there are no LS1 SSs for the forseeable future.

"Mach 1's also make about 290 at the wheels."  Giving up over SIXTY CUBIC INCHES to the LS1 SS.  A key point. 

"Put a lightning blower pulley on an '03 Cobra, along with longtube headers and a good X pipe, and they make over 435 RWHP, and that's still just with 12 pounds of boost." 

500 crank horsepower, all for significantly less than the current Bowtie hope and dream--the ZO6 Corvette.  I'm curious how much it would cost to get the old Stovebolt to that perfomance level.

Finally, Robert Yates said that certain ported and prepped DOHC Ford heads can flow more air than current Winston Cup heads.  Something else to consider . . . . 

Family car, old mans car, soccer moms car...whatever, it still has 4 doors.. By the way, saw new Mercury Marauders going 11's at Bowling Green, lol...thats a fast 4 door.  Weighs about 4500 lbs too..Mercedes..go back to Deutschland, der Furer....