No Nissan or Honda V6s were making that kind of power 4 years ago when the PI 4.6 2V first came into production with 265 horsepower, and 2004 is the last year for the 2V 4.6 as it will be replaced by the 3V or 4V in all applications, which indeniably make good power.  And I'll bet anything that those *** V6s don't have anywhere near as good a torque curve as a 4.6 2V.  Some 305 pounds coming in very low.  They also respond pretty good to light mods as well.  My brother's '99 GT with it's only notable performance mods being an off road X pipe, dynomax mufflers in the stock catback, a King Cobra clutch, and a Mach 1 shaker hood ran 12.97@107 on 16 inch Nitto drag radials, and I'm 100% confidant it'd see 12.5s with better traction.  I know another guy running low 12s N/A with a 4.6 2V in a '99 GT that runs low 11s on spray.

GM's pushrod motors aren't exactly untouchable either.  Hell, I've seen N/A 340 Mopars put down 500+ REAR WHEEL HORSEPOWER at only 340 CI.

And as far as the LS1 being the god of pushrods goes, keep in mind that the new 5.7 Hemi is a pushrod, 2 valve engine.  It hasn't been to noticed int he aftermarket yet but watch out when it is.  I've seen them throw down 400+ horsepower with just exhaust and a chip.  It's a shame that Dodge can't seem to realise that a RWD 5.7 Hemi 2 door WOULD sell....

EDIT: About the Mach 1, Cobras aren't far behind in performance either.  And I mean 99/01 N/A Cobras.  Stock they run 13.5s easy, and they are PLENTY capable of 12s with just a switch to live axle.  Come to think of it, I've never seen a live axle Cobra runa nything slower than 13.00.  Don't even get me started on the new Cobra.  Supercharged or not, they run with Z06s when they find traction, for less money than any LS1 ever cost new.  Live axleed '03 Cobra withh exhast and gears?  Say hello to high 10s.

Whats with all this chevy vs ford vs mopar crap I say we all just rag on the ricer boys.

*Sniff* ahhh, I love the smell of burnt rice in the morning

lol, well i guess you do have a little bit of a point but oh well

Yeah, we all need to unite against the common enemy...  

I ain't arguing about Dodge.  Yea, Hemi is great.  Couldn't be production-worth since it didn't pass emissions.  Now it does (with 2 spark plugs for better combustion), but in a truck.  Would love to see it in a car.  Probably do a better job than Ford...

All I hear is how I beat Mustang this, killed Mustang that from the import guys.  Very rarely the GM small block.  They don't even consider Mustangs a worthy opponent.

One import mag dared compare the GT to the Integra Type-R, and the Cobra R with a Honda-powered Elise.  Where's the F-bodies?  Where's the C5/ZO6s?  They have "ancient pushrods" they keep talking crap about.  Mustangs..what a disgrace and embrassment.

The ZO6 is new performance car standard.  Every mag I read many performance cars are compared to the ZO6, because it is one bad a$$ and cheap factory sports car.  Even a sportbike magazine used the ZO6 against a sportbike.  Where's the Cobra R?  Last I checked it's some race spec car, which makes it less impressive.

You seen an N/A 340 Mopar make 500 rwhp?  In production this century or the last one?  I've seen high hp Fords, GMs, Mopars, and imports modified by people.  Any person can dump cash into any engine and make them go faster without passing emissions.  Let me see the factory do so and pass emissions.  Blower on the GT40 motor?  Why not a 7.0L like the Saleen S7?  Must be cheaper than a DOHC 5.3, lighter, and about the same size...

What's funny is when the Mustang guys talk crap about imports with not having not enough cubes and not enough torque, only to get the smackdown by GM guys for not having enough cubes and not enough torque.

Jeez, must be more body kits and rice accesories for the Mustang than there are performance parts.

Pre-4.6L OHC you could say they were musclecars.  Not anymore.  (and I'm not saying a musclecar has to have pushrods)

exactly, in my eyes mustangs evolved into rice burners

That was `99, dude.  This is 2003, how many Chevs do you see doing low 12s off the showroom floor?  With a pulley change and slicks, the 2003 Cobra goes into the high 11's...with an independent rear.  Times have changed, tables have turned, now Chevrolet doesn't even make a rear driver that people can afford, except for trucks.  Give it up, man, Bowties had their day in the sun, now we can watch some real horsepower being made.  Even the fastest production COPO Camaro can't hold a candle to a 2003 Cobra.  I'm not talking about something that Grumpy Jenkins tuned either, I mean, box stock, showroom fresh.  Like the man said, FORD 4 EVER.

The Cobra is blown right?  So nothing is wrong with turning up the boost a bit, adding slicks to a WRX STi, Evo VIII, older turbo Supras and older turbo RX-7?

I don't know why Mustang guys trash talk the import guys the most.  You guys are practically in the same boat.

The best import tuners I do believe are also some of the best Mustang tuners also, since they know their OHC, 4-valves, turbos, and EFI systems.  Since no other magazine covers either or, including import mags, I usually have to pick up a Mustang mag for turbo/EFI info.

This discussion never had anything to do with who can do what better from the factory.  It was an argument about the comments that you and that other mullet loving #### made as to Chevy engines being the indisputed gods of the world, when in truth, they are NO better, in any way, than Ford or Chrysler engines.  People just think they are because everybody and their brother in law has one.  

Like I said before, I don't care what kind of car it si, 2003 Mustang Cobra is the fastest 1/4 mile car in production today.  Period.  I don't drive Mustangs, I have, but I like older stuff, stuff that weenies like yerself couldn't begin to start piecing together.  I appreciate all cars, Mopar, yeah, even the occasional Bowtie catches my eye, but I prefer to go fast, so I build Fords.  When was the last time Camaro or Corvette had a whole race series devoted just specifically for it?  Never.  Sure, you have the Super Chevy weekends, but that is for all the stuff Chev built.  NMRA has the fastest Mustangs in the country running.  By the way, I noticed that the previous record holder in Pro Street Outlaw (? whatever it's called) was an 800 ci Chevrolet, til a 357 powered Mustang came along and lowered the ceiling down to the very low 6's at 224 mph...Chev is best, huh?  LOL, I don't think so.

My argument was Ford don't know how to build motors.

Everyone else does.

"Like I said before, I don't care what kind of car it si, 2003 Mustang Cobra is the fastest 1/4 mile car in production today.  Period. "

You sure about that?

Yeah there are plenty of cars that are faster in production today.  Like the Ferrari Enzo, or (if you'd count them) Lingenfelter Corvettes, among many others.  But oh well.

GibTG, there you go again with the Diesel mechanic stuff    Just for the record, my grandpa has been wrenching on diesels forever (he's an owner/operator so he has to, can't afford to pay some other schmuck to fix his truck.  Noone in my loodline ever pays ANYONE to do any type of auto service).  He can fix anything on a Diesel, but he could also build a gasoline engine to run with the best of you if he wanted to...

You make comments like "Mustang is the fastest production car"

#### your head must be pretty far up your ass if you've never heard of ferrari -yeah I don't like them either but they must beat your cobra. I don't have the #'s so I won't brag about corvette's or viper's but I would put my money on them first.

What two cars intrique me are the callaway corvette 254 top speed

Also the new bugatti 1.3 million price tag and a top speed of est. 252

It gives me goosebumps