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Celtmarine
New User | Posts: 1 | Joined: 05/05
Posted: 05/26/05
10:57 AM


To the Staff and Readers of this American Icon;


 


As a loooong time reader of this magazine(I'm not much younger than


Freiburger), I feel that I must address some things that have been bouncing


around in your magazine and in the automotive press as a whole recently;


this lament of the lack of interest in American iron, and the effect that


has had on the speed shop industry and related businesses. First and


foremost, to those that build and drive import technology-you are every bit


as American as the guy driving the '69 Camaro; I am currently serving in the


Marines, so anybody who wants to question my patriotism over this issue is


more than welcome to give it his best shot, with fair warning of the


consequences. If you are lamenting the burgeoning pressure from foreign


suppliers of cars and parts think of this, and think hard; we only have


ourselves to blame. I will now give you an example; Harley-Davidson at one


time, during Mr. Freiburger's and my youth, was owned by AMF, a company many


of you new readers are too young to have even heard of. During this time,


the much-lauded quality of their product declined sharply, and the only


thing that kept the company afloat was the faith and pride that "patriotic"


individuals such as enlisted military and much of the working-class


population held for their last remaining American motorcycle company. The


1980's came along and Harley got an infusion of fresh thinking engineers who


created the Evolution engine, and forsook tradition for reliability by


rubber mounting the engines and better counterbalancing the crank, both


things that could have been done decades earlier, advances in metallurgy


aside. Now, looking at this vastly improved, much more functional motorcycle


one would think that the company who was saved by greasy, sweaty,


hard-working, hand-mangling home mechanics would turn around and make the


bike easier for those same people to achieve, as a reward for their long


suffering devotion, but not so. As I write this letter I have to state that


the lowest ranking enlisted Marine who can afford a Harley and still


maintain financial responsibility as a Staff Sergeant(E-6), and that's still


iffy. And in a land of 6-footers, don't even mention the Sportster. Why the


high pricing? R&D? Give me a break; the Evolution was just that, an


evolutionary step in the same archaic yet functional v-twin that had been


around for decades. Unions? Nope, for those same blue-collar gents were


taking cuts in pay or even delays in pay to get Harley back on their feet.


The answer lay in one simple word; greed. Where there was an American


institution now there is an investment. Remember that word. In return the


interest in less expensive Japanese motorcycles of different styles that


could match and exceed the American bike on all levels took root, and other


American motorcycle companies were created. Does this sound familiar yet?


Our predecessors were the first generation in which automobiles were


designed and marketed for in history, as I found out in a marketing class in


college. It was this spoiling of our then youth that created this greedy,


mine-mine-mine if-you-have-to-ask-you-can't-afford-it mentality that has


totally screwed the current generation out of d@%n near every domestic 2


door v-8 available from 1965 to 1972. What idiot has the sheer audacity to


charge $50,000 for a *^%&% clone of a muscle car??? Another, more relevant


example; why are there no more Camaros or Trans Ams? Simply put, General


Motors couldn't rationalize losing Corvette buyers for cars that cost half


as much and with minimal cash outlay could be made to perform as well as the


flagship. General Motors needs to take a long hard look at what Ford is


doing; where Ford looks at what sells the most, GM looks at what sells for


the most.


Why in the world should we, the originators of the Muscle Car and


everything that goes with it, have to outsource our creativity to another


country????? I'm not putting anything against the Australians, but the GTO


is completely uninspired as far as looks go. People don't want a larger


Cavalier with a V-8; they want, and pay attention General motors, three


things; it has to be mean, in looks and performance; it has to be fast, but


think more quarter-mile than autobahn; they must last. This generation is


all too familiar with the phrase "designed obsolescence" and we're tired of


getting screwed by it. Follow Ford's example and put your customer first for


a change-look at your past and build a retro Camaro. A '60's Camaro. I know


plenty of people in this country who would love to spend their free time at


your design offices doing nothing but go over old pictures and ideas from


the past in an effort to build a better car. You have been served notice,


GM; get off your bloated, unmotivated corporate butts and get back to work,


where you should be or your future customer base will let YOU get bought out


by an AMF, and this time you won't be the last American car company, so I


don't think you last too long. I am going to send copies of this to other


mags as well, so don't think you're getting off light. You owe this to the


people who have kept you in business al these years.


 



R/S,


 



Conan Gray
 

 
chooch310
User | Posts: 53 | Joined: 04/05
Posted: 05/26/05
07:09 PM

i agree with this guy. americans are greedy and overcharging each other for EVERYTHING has been happening for so long that nowadays if you dont join the club of overchargers, you cant afford to live life.


i try to make every last penny per hour at my job that i can, but only because EVERYTHING i want or need to buy costs so much because most other americans are also asking THEIR bosses for every penny they can get. im only 27, so ill not take blame for starting this trend that feeds on itself to become bigger. but i admit my part openly. now how do we fix it? and im not looking for wiseguys remarks like "go to your boss and ask for a paycut". we have some smart guys in here. anyone have a realistic idea we can build off of?

 

 
TommyN
User | Posts: 170 | Joined: 03/05
Posted: 05/26/05
09:23 PM

There are many things I want, but can not afford.  A new Z06 would be nice, but completely unobtainable if I am to live within my means.


I think car crafting is taking pride in your car, whatever it is, and modifying it to perform better than stock.  There are alternative body styles that are inexpensive and can be hopped up.  A light weight car does not need as powerful (expensive) of an engine to perform as well as a heavier car with a stronger mill.  When I was 18 earning $4.25 an hour I combined two cheap beaters to make a car that was the most bang I could get for my buck.  I bought a 4cyl Chevy Monza and swapped the 350 2bbl from my 71 Impala into it using junkyard v8 monza parts.


I bought a new car a couple years ago to use as a daily driver.  It would have been nice to drop $20k on a turbo neon or one of the last z-28s, but they were out of my price range.  I bought a no option Chevy Cavalier instead.  It's the lightest Cavalier and came standard with the Ecotec engine and a Getrag 5spd.  I ran it a couple times at the track to see what it could do.  It ran a best of a 15.9 on the slippery 195/70/14 Goodyear Integra tires.  Some performance models at the time like the Dodge Intrepid RT and others barely ran in the high 15s.  In my case, the General built the best car to fit my budget that gave me the quickest ET out of the box for my $10k.


I think models like the Ion and Cobalt are decent alternatives to the import cars that young people are attracted to, so in my opinion the General is on the right track.  The Neon SRt-4 and the Cobalt SS offer more bang for the buck than most any new import I can think of.


Tom

 

 
bowtie6872
User | Posts: 151 | Joined: 09/04
Posted: 05/27/05
05:19 AM







i try to make every last penny per hour at my job that i can, but only because EVERYTHING i want or need to buy costs so much because most other americans are also asking THEIR bosses for every penny they can get. im only 27, so ill not take blame for starting this trend that feeds on itself to become bigger. but i admit my part openly. now how do we fix it? and im not looking for wiseguys remarks like "go to your boss and ask for a paycut". we have some smart guys in here. anyone have a realistic idea we can build off of?

 

easy ways to stop this eat your own mentality  is  one cars are rolling bill boards no  need to spend big$$$$$$$$$  on adds  word of mouth and seeing one on the road sould do it..  if not your products got big problems..


2) why does a C E O need to make 3-7 million dollars a year.. thats right he'she doesn't..


3) stop playing up to the wallstreet guys  and pay more attention to the poeple BUYING your product   not the bean counters.....   you make more $$ in volume than in high mark up on low volume..


4) fire the people dezigning the crap you are making now...  I'd like to know where the test market is that is saying that they looked good or they liked the looks of these cars....must of been at  4:20


5) bring back an order sheet   not just PACKAGES  but options  single options  or maybe both..      if I want a ram air ws6 trans am and don't want leather  then  build it..........we're the buyers  not the marketing team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


6)  make it last a long time  .. ... 


7) make it easy to upgrade    one wire harness and e c u  for the 4-6-8 that are offered in it that way the guy that can't buy the  top  v8 one can buy your parts to make it one after the loan is done   not like the 3rd 4th gen  f body that you needed to change everything out to go v8 from a v6..

If it won't move,FORCE it,If it breaks,


IT needed replacing anyways!!!!!!!!!!

 

 
dr511scj_1
Enthusiast | Posts: 636 | Joined: 10/03
Posted: 05/27/05
06:33 AM

Thank you for your service to our country.


Your facts on Harley are slightly incorrect.


Harley was saved in no small measure by the Reagan Administration slapping a protective tariff on imported "heavy" motorcycles in 1983.  The tariff gave Harley some breathing room to reorganize under new managment and develop new products.


As I have written on here before the old Detroit auto makers have been attacked for decades by the cumulative impacts of unfunded government mandates, aggressive "jackpot justice" lawsuits, formal and informal protectionist policies in Japan, preditory pricing by importers, UAW/CAW collective bargaining agreements which do not reflect market forces, and now the exploding health care crisis.


For example, Toyota spends less than $200 per car on health and retirement costs. GM spends nearly EIGHT TIMES as much.


The collapse of Detroit is in no small measure linked to government policies and regulations well outside the control of the automakers.

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