I am also saying junk can go fast, never said it would last long

Then don't tell a 16-year old who isn't rich to build an engine that won't last long with it, that, after all, was the original point of the article. Enough sidetracking garbage, why fill a thread with 100 posts of junk instead of just gently answering a question?

Everybodys arguing for the same point here, maybe you can go fast on junk but as you said it isn't guaranteed to last long, which is the last thing a 16-year old needs. I would know

If after 90 posts you havent reached common ground, I think its time to let go, agreed?

I am also saying junk can go fast, never said it would last long

Then don't tell a 16-year old who isn't rich to build an engine that won't last long with it, that, after all, was the original point of the article. Enough sidetracking garbage, why fill a thread with 100 posts of junk instead of just gently answering a question?

Everybodys arguing for the same point here, maybe you can go fast on junk but as you said it isn't guaranteed to last long, which is the last thing a 16-year old needs. I would know

If after 90 posts you havent reached common ground, I think its time to let go, agreed

Glad you brought that up, my point to the 16-year old was budget, not junk, and that a cast crank would be fine. I just used junk as an extreme example that it last long enough to go racing, and also how most cranks crack. And no we are not arguing the same point, the point was brought up that a cast crank was junk and broke in half in a less than 450 hp motor, and that there were a bunch of them laying around. If he really knew anything about broken cranks and was not talking out his ass, he may have pointed out that it had a cracked in it, but instead he sayed they were broken in two peices. Cast cranks are not junk and last a long time.  When I do crack a crank forged or cast, it is usually due to a spun bearing.

"spending some money on a forged stroker crank . I have seen too many 383 cast stroker cranks on the junk pile in two piesces. "=TheBat63 (TheBat631)  Post (14 of 93) Dec-21 10:40 pm

Thats why I posted about my experiences with junk and budget and what I have done, and thats hard to believe but a new aftermarket cast crank breaking into two pieces in a motor is more believable even though many established shops and engine builders build engines making more HP than stated without having any warranty claims that any of the cranks have snapped in two pieces.   

I understand why it is hard to believe to many, becuase these know-it-alls, read about it but have no hands-on and then talk out their ass with advise on a subject they know nothing about, but can not admit when they are wrong when making a factual statment that is only really their opinion with no real knowledge on the subject at all. So I called B.S. on them and their statment that there are pile of broken in two cast cranks on the floor waiting on warranties , and so here we are, 94 posts later. Who will be 95?  

90+ posts on the same topic...

You need something else to ocupy your time, this is getting ridiculous.

90+ posts on the same topic...

You need something else to ocupy your time, this is getting ridiculous.

In the 16th and 17th centuries, everything had to be transported by ship and it was also before commercial fertilizer's invention, so large shipments of manure were common. It was shipped dry, because in dry form it weighed a lot less than when wet, but holds leaked and once water (at sea) hit it, it not only became heavier, but the process of its fermentation began again. As you know, a byproduct of fermentation is methane gas.

Since the stuff was stored below decks in bundles you can see what could
(and did) happen. Methane would begin to build up below decks and the first time someone came below at night with a lantern, BOOOOM!

Several ships were destroyed in this manner before it was determined just what was happening. After that, the bundles of manure were always stamped with the term "Ship High In Transit." This meant for the sailors to stow it high enough off the lower decks so that any water that came into the hold would not touch this potentially volatile cargo and start the production of methane.

Thus evolved the term "$.#.!.T.", (Ship High In Transport) which has come down through many centuries and is still in use to this very day.

You probably did not know the true history of this word. Neither did I.

I always thought it was a drag racing term.  

You're cracking me up! LOL, that was good.  

You're cracking me up! LOL, that was good.

LMAO.

Life is all about asses  
 you're either covering it,
laughing it off, (lmao=luaghing my ass off)
kicking it,
kissing it,
busting it,
trying to get a piece of it,
or behaving like one ...  

"$.#.!.T.", (Ship High In Transport) Happens, but it takes an 'a-hole'.

Who will be 100th?

BAM! 100th right here.

Invadr, you remind me of my buddy who says his 7.5 inch rear is strong enough to handle anything even though he goes through 6 or 7 of them in a summer and has a pile of broken axles and gears and such.  lol

I agree with you.......a little.  I have seen cast cranks under lots of power buzzing pretty high, but 850 hp?  that's really pushing it.  I'm not saying it can't be done, but why would you want to?  By the sounds of it you've been through alot of cast bottom end motors, why wouldn't you just invest a little and put a stronger forged bottom end in there?  Seems like it would save you some cash in the end.

I run a cast 400 crank in my 408 and am planning on hitting it with a 200 shot.  The only cranks i've ever seen blow apart are factory 400 cranks turned down for the 350 mains.  I've seen quite a few of those things in peices..................mostly due to insane mudboggers who don't know what a tachometer is for.

I agreed to a point, too. But beyond 450hp or so, you're getting on the edge. Yes, you can make one last at that point, but not under that AND a 300 shot.
Do it, I dare you. When it blows, and oils the front tires, and you lose control, and destroy your car, don't come here and whine. It's just stupid.  

if your spraying that much on a cast bottom end, your either stupid, or you are expecting some breakage. 

I am kinda believing the 600 hp with a cast crank.........without nitrous.  Eagle rates their cast cranks at 500 hp.  

I built a number of roundy motors, that seen nearly 7000 rpm, and made close to and slightly over 500hp. They will last quite a while. But no way will it live with a 300 shot on top of that.  

I would definetly have to see it to believe it.  

I'd love to see it. Just so I could see his face, when it comes apart.  

Want to know where your build is going??? Visit Wallace reacing calculators web page. Common sense with numbers and approximations for what to do and what not to do. Such as what is my cranking compression vs. static cr. which changes quickly with different cam choices. Godd luck. J.S.