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GibTG
Guru | Posts: 917 | Joined: 08/03
Posted: 01/02/06
03:41 PM

Just to bring it to your attention, your style of writing on these boards is pretty different. It's hard to follow and read, what is up with all the colors and the breaks in the middle of paragraphs? Why don't you just bold a certain part of the statement you're responding to and respond to it a couple lines underneath it?











 

                                                                                      ~Gibs

 

 
nogo1049
New User | Posts: 36 | Joined: 09/05
Posted: 01/02/06
04:01 PM

Gotta admit, it does make it easier to skip over and ignore though  


 
Invadr
User | Posts: 75 | Joined: 01/05
Posted: 01/02/06
04:08 PM

Just to bring it to your attention, your style of writing on these boards is pretty different. It's hard to follow and read, what is up with all the colors and the breaks in the middle of paragraphs? Why don't you just bold a certain part of the statement you're responding to and respond to it a couple lines underneath it?


 


I'll try it.


Been trying different things

 

 
Invadr
User | Posts: 75 | Joined: 01/05
Posted: 01/02/06
04:12 PM

Oh, were you talking, couldn't hear. You got to stand, not sit, when your talking out your ass.

 

 
Invadr
User | Posts: 75 | Joined: 01/05
Posted: 01/02/06
11:51 PM

Let see if I get this right, hmmmm, 400+hp will blow up if it has a cast crank.......... But no matter how many time I post other people that have made 400 to 450 383 all you "know it alls" who have not done it say I'm full of it, Hmmmmmmmmm........ Well this won't make any difference to them, but to anyone else interested in building some real power on a budget, you may like this, it comes from an author of many mag articles and many books, but he must be out of his mind, cause he is talking about 650hp 383 that also can spin to above 7500 rpm as a test engine for cams, or maybe he is just full of B.S. also, hmmmmmmm, or maybe the haters just don't know what they are talking about and refuse to admit it-


 











How to duplicate a
650-hp 383 small-block for around $4,900
  

By David Vizard


The goal for any hot rodder on a budget (that’s almost all of us, right?) is having the most for the least. We are looking for inexpensive simplicity, practicality and drivability. Well here it is!


Most project engines have a goal of doing a one-time build and (hopefully) meeting the required target parameters. This motor was a little different in that it was used to test products along the way. It started life as a dyno mule and will remain so after this project is done. Because of this, you will see parts and procedures that were deemed necessary for a hard-working dyno mule that you won’t need to duplicate this build at home. This will be mostly evident in the bottom end.


Crank,In line with the old adage that there is no substitute for cubes, our project engine used a Scat 9000 series cast steel crank (part No. 9-350-3750-6000) to stretch capacity from 350 to 383 inches. This crank is designed to internally balance with Scat’s inexpensive “I” beam 4340 alloy steel cap screw six-inch rods. If you intend to follow our build this is what you should use. The test motor, however, was to be used as a cam test engine later and would be turned up to 7,700 rpm.


The Nitrous system used was a basic NX plate system (part No. 30040-10). This kit is rated to produce between 50 and 300 hp depending on the jets installed. The plan here was to jet for about 150 -175 hp increase depending on what was seen as the baseline before injection took place.













DTS dyno were 657hp and 772 lbs.-ft. of torque. That kind of output will give you really wicked street performance.


If you shop around for the parts you can replicate this motor, less the exhaust system but with everything else including plugs and oil, for under $4,900. If you do not want to assemble the motor yourself then add about another $1,000 for a competent pro to do that for you.

   
Featured Article in August 2004 Popular Hot Rodding

 

 
Iroczguy
User | Posts: 69 | Joined: 11/05
Posted: 01/03/06
07:32 AM

the cam only has 150 miles on it and it is still in the origanal box but i will recheck the specs for the durationand let you know  


 
GibTG
Guru | Posts: 917 | Joined: 08/03
Posted: 01/03/06
01:53 PM

Sorry to say, but beating a subject to death is not the best way to convince someone of something. Might as well put it to sleep, everyone has their opinions, you have yours and since the majority of experienced rodders are conservative when using nitrous your not gonna convince the entire world otherwise.











 

                                                                                      ~Gibs

 

 
min301
Enthusiast | Posts: 494 | Joined: 02/05
Posted: 01/03/06
07:50 PM

Incorrect, the 83 was the firdt year with TRW supplied forged pistons in the 5.0 H.O.. Look it up.
As far as the cast crank, yes one can build a 400hp cast crank motor, no problem. But, you stated a 300 shot, above and beyond that. Won't be a high miler.
And yes, I am a builder, and corrected your statements for you, no I don't feel silly, as I've showed that building a mid hp cast crank motor is possible, but shooting it up with a huge 300 shot aint gonna happen for very long.
Do you feel silly?  


 
jrpitb
Enthusiast | Posts: 518 | Joined: 03/04
Posted: 01/03/06
10:01 PM

Wow how the heck did this get 70 posts?  I can see five maybe ten but 70???  Anyhoo I think most agree about the power cast crank and maybe a decent hit but 300??  Wow I just split a crank in two recently Invader I hope you bring a trailer, and something to pull it up because mine was in my driveway a mear three feet from salvation and I could even make it run with half a crank burning out both ends but running.  Yet I couldn't get it to move.  Your planning 13-1 cr with a cast crank a used cam cast pistons and a 300 shot?  How about you pass that dube this way and think about how much your planning to spend, I know it sounds like every one is against you on this but they are not they are looking out for your wallet.  I have sent a few rods through the side of the block and out of the fender and just felt lucky they didn't come at me.  I hope this works out for you but 13-1 is an awefull lot of pressure and to hit it besides.  Wow.  Any way let me know how the crank works I am thinking of trying a good used one with new lifters but for now I'm just rolling a used late model motor.  


 
Invadr
User | Posts: 75 | Joined: 01/05
Posted: 01/04/06
06:28 PM

Wow how the heck did this get 70 posts?  I can see five maybe ten but 70???  Anyhoo I think most agree about the power cast crank and maybe a decent hit but 300??  Wow I just split a crank in two recently Invader I hope you bring a trailer, and something to pull it up because mine was in my driveway a mear three feet from salvation and I could even make it run with half a crank burning out both ends but running.  Yet I couldn't get it to move.  Your planning 13-1 cr with a cast crank a used cam cast pistons and a 300 shot?  How about you pass that dube this way and think about how much your planning to spend, I know it sounds like every one is against you on this but they are not they are looking out for your wallet.  I have sent a few rods through the side of the block and out of the fender and just felt lucky they didn't come at me.  I hope this works out for you but 13-1 is an awefull lot of pressure and to hit it besides.  Wow.  Any way let me know how the crank works I am thinking of trying a good used one with new lifters but for now I'm just rolling a used late model motor.


I was thinking the same thing, 70+ post. lol


I don't think anyone is really looking out for my wallet, IMO I just think they can't admit when the are wrong on a subject they know very little about from hands on experience, but only know what they have been told or they read about. IMO cast cranks are not junk, and will work fine in a 450+ motor, and not just my opinion either. Like others have said, the pistons usually go before the cast crank. Breaking the cast crank before breaking the pistons is the exception not the rule


I will let you know how it turns out, I am in the middle of building another TRW forged 13:1, short rod (400 rods w/ARP rod bolts) roller cam, 400 Chevy cast crank, alum head, tunnel rammed motor that is going in my car with a 200 shot, but will ended up closer to 250-300. It should be done before summer, maybe sooner. I'm in Cali right now so when I go to Irwindale or Paris (if they are still running dragrace events there) I will post it and you can come check it out. I know JCharlieM will show up to Irwindale (maybe I can get him to post a pic, becuase I don't have a way of doing it right now). And you can see it for your self. 

 

 
Invadr
User | Posts: 75 | Joined: 01/05
Posted: 01/04/06
06:39 PM

Incorrect, the 83 was the firdt year with TRW supplied forged pistons in the 5.0 H.O.. Look it up.
As far as the cast crank, yes one can build a 400hp cast crank motor, no problem. But, you stated a 300 shot, above and beyond that. Won't be a high miler.
And yes, I am a builder, and corrected your statements for you, no I don't feel silly, as I've showed that building a mid hp cast crank motor is possible,
but shooting it up with a huge 300 shot aint gonna happen for very long.
Do you feel silly?


 


Look it up, I did and post it for you, so now the ball is in your court, show me. Incase you forgot he is what I posted-


(Oh realy now, then how do you explain this-


1991-92


16 x 7 inch wheels introduced in '91.
Generally, the '89 through '92's are considered the best for adding engine modifications.   The combination of stronger block, MAF, better heads and forged pistons (pre-'85's and the'93's had cast pistons) make these easier to modify and more reliable. )


Now as far as a 300 shot on a 383 cast crank motor, have you ever done it? How do you know it won't live long? Show me.


Do I feel silly, yeah, like teach a pig to sing, it fustrates you and annoys the pig.

 

 
Invadr
User | Posts: 75 | Joined: 01/05
Posted: 01/04/06
07:24 PM

Sorry to say, but beating a subject to death is not the best way to convince someone of something. Might as well put it to sleep, everyone has their opinions, you have yours and since the majority of experienced rodders are conservative when using nitrous your not gonna convince the entire world otherwise.












 

                                                                                      ~Gibs


Again, don't care if I convince anyone, just stating, just cause they have not done it, doesn't make untrue.


Disagree on the experienced rodders, more like inexperienced with nitrous Rodders. What have you done with the deadly gas.


Here is an e-mail exchange between me and speedomotive about cast cranks-





















Subj:383 Crankshaft defimation of character 
Date:12/30/2005 12:30:11 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: Invadr
To: Speedomotive


 



On the Car Craft Forum:

 


 

Under the subject-





Click Here> Horse vs. Compression 

 

This guy claims to an expert on cast 383 cranks and say's they are all junk, would you mind straight him out, as he does not believe me we I tell him that a 450 HP motor is just find with a cast crank, and he does not believe you guys have you own brand of 383 crank. Thanks, and sorry for wasting your time, just tired of someone with no experience in the matter telling people how to build their motors.

 

Here is what he posted and if you click below it should take you right to the post.

 

"I said 383 cast cranks have a nasty habit of splitting. Also do you really think Speed-o-motive has their own crankshaft factory ? I hope that you realize that they are merely buying the same Chinese castings as everyone else."

 


 



In a message dated 1/3/2006 5:07:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, speedomotive writes:


Hello, honestly I don't care what anyone's opinions are, and he is certainly entitled to his, we don't make our own cranks, we have them made for us by the same Chinese foundry that makes eagle and scat, the difference is we finish ours here, and you are correct in saying they will handle 450HP, we use them in out 525 hp 383.

 

THANK YOU FOR THE INQUIRY, WE HOPE YOU WILL BE HAPPY WITH OUR PRODUCT AND ALSO OUR SERVICE. PLEASE CALL ANY TIME (626)869-0270


 















Subject:Re: 383 Crankshaft defimation of character
Date:1/4/2006 5:50:14 PM Pacific Standard Time
From:Invadr


 

Thanks for the reply. I have used products from you when you guys were on Atlantic Bl, Slauson Bl, and now that your in Covina. I have used 383 cranks and short blocks kits from you when they were made with chevy cast crank 400 including one I got from Boyd Gable with one of Richie's Lazar stage 2 nitrous unit on it to get deep into the 10's in a street driven Nova. The last thing I got from you guys was a Dart Manifold for a short deck BBC, you were the only guys who carried them in stock. (just could not wait for mail order) If I never mentioned it before, thanks for some great service over the years, and thanks again for the reply, I am going to post it along with my reply

 

From a happy long time customer.

Invadr

 

 Sent to: http://www.speedomotive.com

SPEED-O-MOTIVE INC.


131 NORTH LANG AVE.


WEST COVINA, CALIFORNIA USA


PHONE (626) 869-0270


FAX (626) 869-0278

 

 
Invadr
User | Posts: 75 | Joined: 01/05
Posted: 01/04/06
07:27 PM













Subject:Re: 383 Crankshaft defimation of character
Date:1/4/2006 5:50:14 PM Pacific Standard Time
From:Invadr


 

Thanks for the reply. I have used products from you when you guys were on Atlantic Bl, Slauson Bl, and now that your in Covina. I have used 383 cranks and short blocks kits from you when they were made with chevy cast crank 400 including one I got from Boyd Gable with one of Richie's Lazar stage 2 nitrous unit on it to get deep into the 10's in a street driven Nova. The last thing I got from you guys was a Dart Manifold for a short deck BBC, you were the only guys who carried them in stock. (just could not wait for mail order) If I never mentioned it before, thanks for some great service over the years, and thanks again for the reply, I am going to post it along with my reply

 

From a happy long time customer.

Invadr

 

 Sent to: http://www.speedomotive.com

SPEED-O-MOTIVE INC.


131 NORTH LANG AVE.


WEST COVINA, CALIFORNIA USA


PHONE (626) 869-0270


FAX (626) 869-0278

 

 
TheBat63
Enthusiast | Posts: 302 | Joined: 04/05
Posted: 01/04/06
08:25 PM

Alright Arnold back to the pen we go. Scat finishes their cranks in the US too at their own facility. If he said that about his crank at Speed-o-motive good luck to him because then they will not be our competition for long. Oh one more thing I am done with this thread. I mean it this time not even coming back to view it . Good luck with the hand grenades.



Edited 1/4/2006 8:44 pm by TheBat63 (TheBat631)  

 
min301
Enthusiast | Posts: 494 | Joined: 02/05
Posted: 01/05/06
04:25 AM

I worked for 2 seperate ford dealers, during the 80's and 90's, so believe what you want. You are kidding yourself if you think it will live long with a 300 shot. Anyway, I'm done trying to help you, you obviously won't listen to anyone. See ya later, when you're sweeping up the pieces.  


 
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