Has anyone noticed how "The Fast and The Furious" has influanced the Car world?  I never noticed much rice on the streets before that movie came out, but all of a sudden the streets are filled with the weed-wacker posse.  These cars have very little performance potential and none of the "bang for the buck" potential either.  Even the praised Supra isn't that great...and that's a 54 thousand dollar car!  just go out and buy a Z06 for that much cash!  Now, I have seen 9-second street legal Honda Civics...I'm not saying that's impossible....it's just that these 9-second Hondas cost over 150K to build, plus so very much time involved.  Why don't these people decide to go out and get a cheap 5.0 mustang and spend a MAX of 50-grand (i'm not up to par on the mustang prices as I am a Chevy fan, but I do respect the car very much) on it to make it a 9-second car....if my math skills serve me right that's 100 grand saved!

People say in defense of Rice that they are "pocket rockets" from which you can get the greatest bang for your buck...but they buy them for about 3 grand with no more than 85 horsepower and even less torque...while you can go out and buy a decent 5.0 mustang or 3rd Gen Camaro Z/28 for around 5 grand....and that has double the horsepower/torque PLUS SOME.  And to add to that, I just LOVE it how they say "Imports are faster because they have excellent gas mileage, better than your gas-guzzling V-8's"...now last time i checked wasn't a car MORE powerful if it had a LOWER MPG rating?

Also, why is it that the first purchases for a Ricer are a "fart can", "ground effects/body kit" and that hideous "spoiler"?  none of those do anything for the car performance wise (except MAY BE the exhaust system would free up some power).  If anyone wishes to add to this, please do and if anyone wishes to argue with me, either post here or instant message me on ElCamaro515...

ALL HAIL THE BIG TUNA!

You have some great points man, some people just want to be wannabes, what i want to say is the exhaust system, one thing a exhaust system to me is supposed to quiet it down enough to make it streetable, another thing a exhaust to me is designed for torque, those big straight-though mufflers are jokes, sure they are giving you upper RPM power but nothing and i mean NOTHING can beat the performance of open headers, that is the only way to race

I see rice rockets everywhere these days and i dont understand how and outrageous body kit huge wing and groudn effects give u performance are most of these ricer kids morons? Im 16 and i found a 1968 Buick GS Factory all original for only 3,800. now thats damn affordable. At the track i see imports there and i jsut laugh when i beat them wth my stock car. I will admit i have been beat by a few imports but when they say oh man i beat ur muscle car all i have to say is yeah and how much money do you ahve into that buzz bomb. Then they usually give some large number and i laugh and say i have nothing into my car other than what i payed for it and u can only run 2 tenths faster than me. If i had that much money im my car i would be in the 12s easy.

"Rice may be good for fuel but it doesnt build muscle."

what if you put that same turbo on a muscle engine, the same boost pressure, you would be talking hundreds and hundreds of more horsepower with a 8 cylinder, 8 cylinder are really the only way to go

funny quote.

you need a much larger turbo for a v8 or it will be nothing more than a heat pump. also 4 cylinder engines only need half the pistons so its cheaper to build one for very high performance.

for 3800 i know a guy who built a civic all-motor and ran 11's on slicks.  also for every import done up with the wings and bodykits and stuff there is at least one muscle car with hydraulics and chrome and swivel seats. all i am saying is that it takes real skill to make any car faster. you kids need some experience in the real world before you go trash talking.

i have no education on the subject but you dont think a aftermarket turbo for a import would put out 3 or 4 PSI for a 8 sylinder?

and also i dont associate hydraulics with muscle cars, because anything with hydraulics for one thing needs to be a tank and with all the extra weight it will be a tank it wouldnt a muscle car, when it comes down to the cosmetics of the car thats the decision of the owner, they usually seem pretty dumb to me in all situations, *remembers the saying of old "if it dont go, chrome it"* Aero Kits and Spoilers have about as much purpose as chrome actually probaly less cause they probably add more weight but there both the same concept and to me a stupid concept if its all out drag

http://www.turboneticsinc.com/guidelines.html

i'm 30 yrs. old and i've seen alot of things at the philly street races over the years. things like a plain jane astrovan smoke a GN (the astro had an sbc). an ugly 4 door malibu with a cage and slicks (they wouldn't let me any closer) take on all comers, including a couple of "7 second" cars that were trailered in. i've also been in a turbo civic and beat a new ram air T/A light after light on roosevelt blvd. i've also been at the track to see a 10 sec geo storm and 6, 7, 8, imports some which didn't cost an arm and a leg. most of these cars will never be in a magazine because they aren't "pretty" enough. thats because the owners are true hot rodders who build cars to be fast for real. 

Well at least we agree on one thing, but people will always have there opinions i respect that

All I know is whenever people meet to do a little racing in Atlanta, the import owners talk a lot of trash until one of those POS heavy muscle cars accepts the challenge. Then IF they'll even race they want to be spotted a few car lengths. If "sport compacts" are such hot stuff, where are they when they have the chance to prove it?

 Give me 25 grand and a Briggs and Stratton.  I will dust all of you .  

ur absolutely rite imports suck...imports r basical a crap bucket with drivers tryin to be kool.import builder must have really big pockets to put 10grand+ in imports that i could have spent 3grand and at least i have a 11 sec car with good old american muscle...import builders spend 10 grand on ground effects and crap the dont need...  like they pay to make themselfes deaf buy putin subs and amps. in there car they dont need...imports suck anyone says otherwise there just retared..if u buy a part for ur car and it doesnt make it go faster dont buy it  

The strip is really overated, with 3 grand you arent going to get a 11 second car to me really with anything, to me i like muscle because i like having the monster torque big cube 8 cylinders, i just like the sound and i like having something radical even for the street, imports are just what people like and prefer, i swear this issue will go on forever

You gotta be kidding me!  Have you seen the price of pistons for your car lately? Anything half decent is over  $500!  I can get SRP Ultra lite pistons(8 of them) for cheaper then you can get 4!  How the hell do you figure 4 bangers are cheaper? An Eagle crank for my LT1 is also cheaper then one for your car. Dart block?  Cheaper for me too!  Manley Rods?  About the same price, but I do get twice as many rods as you!  Now pull your head out of your

@$$!  If you ever built a motor in your life, you would know this, my guess is that you are one of those ricers who does the body kit/wing thing cause you dont know how to go fast!

  By the way, that 11 sec civic you are talking about is probably gutted, and, I doubt ne only invested 3800 in it. Also, you can take 2 turbos that they put on 4 bangers( in single applications) and put it on a V-8 and it wont be a heat pump. There is a guy with a T-bird that ran high 10's with some POS Mustang 4 banger turbos.

  You should educate yourself before you try and sound smart because you just end up sounding even dumber!

are u kiding me dude 300z's are alright but the dont #### weigh just a little over 2000 pounds unless u #### stripped it those #### cars weigh like mid 3000's and the only reason it has that much horsepower is it has twin turbos right and like u said nitrous just asking what godamn year is this 300zx  

 Why is the California economy in a shambles ? I blame it on the freaking import "craze". All of these wannabe race cars are part of the bigger picture . Suckers in the United States will buy ANYTHING if you promise reliabilty . I worked in the service dept for 3 years at a major Toyota dealer , wrenching on the most "reliable" cars ever built . HA . What a load of crap . More heavy , engine work than I had ever seen at the GM dealers I normally work at . Hey everybody , keep buying that JAPCRAP and we will all go down together .