Oh if mitsubitche had a clue then Chrysler wouldnt own them.

Hint the Omni and Daytona turbo chassis were the same as the first TAlon and Eclipse chassis built on same platfrom and looked very very similar. Why cuase in early 90s when chrysler bought out mitsubitche they allowed them to make some of there smaller product lines to give them room to make other stuff.

Oh on the subject of safety in vehicles first off hot rodders rate some of the lowest in fatality crashes.

What kills the most today in cars is Mid size and compact four door cars . HMM which is what all import accord and camary are all about yet they hold the highest class of fatality crashes in america. Contradictioins contradictions you only look to the facts of what is actualy going on in the world today to see this.

Also that insurance crash testing company that rated ford f series one of the lowest unsafest trucks on the road is being totaly contradicted since all of the cars he has given a 5 star raten to just so happen to be among the list of the highest fatality crashed vehciles in ameirca. That alone should give ford enough fuel to burn this company to the ground since ford cars and trucks and suvs dont even hit the list other than in the compact Truck class and its second best in that class. Imports kills fact higher than domestic cars trucks and suvs.

Why I said that was cuase there was to much encientive for a insurance company to take the most sold vehicle in the world and say its the words crash test results , given them and other car companies to raise insurance premuims. (other words its a scam). AS NEW CHEVY COMMERICAL SAYS ITS ALL ABOUT THE DOLLAR.

Rember imports arent safer , dont get good mpg liter to liter and dont have one lick of technology in them. All you need is to look at the import drags, currenty Fatality crash records in america to see this . Imports have and always will be looken to america for technology. REmber anyone can lower a car make it light as hell put power adders on it and raise the compression ratios and go faster this is KISS THEORY.

A richer than stoichiometric 14.7:1, when air and fuel completely combust, leads to maximum power over fuel economy and emissions.

This is a no-brainer.  Engines with highly efficient mechanical combustion characteristics, they are able to make power at 14.7:1 or leaner.  These engines are great because they can easily pass emissions and have great fuel economy.  They can make power using less fuel, but it does not mean they make big power.  Maximum power will always be richer than 14.7:1 a/f ratio, unless they have highly efficient mechanical combustion, which in that case, they can make the same or more power than an engine with poorer combustion efficiency.  But it will make even more power above 14.7:1 period.  A ratio greater than 14.7:1 (15:1, 17:1) is considered lean.  A ratio less than 14.7:1 (13:1, 12:1) is considered rich.  If you make more power at 13:1 than 12:1, you made more power leaner than 12:1, you are still running a rich mixture.

Here's is some links if you don't believe me, but again, this is well-known and is a no-brainer. http://www.mummbrothers.com/SRF_Stuff/Secrets/Driveline/Air_Fuel.htm http://www.mainlineauto.com.au/products/emission/afr806/

The KISS theory is very difficult to implement in production engines because of emissions and fuel economy.  That is where technology plays a part.

I do not know where you get this thing about imports looking to America for technology.  Because gas costs much higher in europe and japan, they are on the leading edge of technologically advanced engines.  Because many of them sell cars in the US, California CARB laws are the model for emissions considerations when designing an engine and car.

On a Honda VTEC engine, it uses 2 cam profiles, and 2 sets of intake runners.  The VTEC intake runners and cam profile support high hp at high rpms, but have crappy low-end torque which leads to poor driveability, idle quality, and not pass emissions, just like a small-block with a fat cam with high breathing intake and heads.  Because of that, the less aggresive non-VTEC cam profile and intake that do not support high rpm hp, build more low-end torque for better driveablity, idle quality, and will pass emissions.  Their VTEC system is simple...very simple.

On an all-out race Honda, they only use a cam and intake that supports high rpm hp.  There is no need for the more conservative cam and intake.

But the bottom-line is a 400-hp car, weather it is a turbo 4-banger or a small block V-8, it theoretically will ingest the same amount of air, and the same amount of fuel because air+fuel=power.

And I don't know why you replied to yourself.

Question why does the s2000 honda only get 2 mpg less than the LS1 350 V8S . i DIDNT SAY THIS WWW.HONDA.COM said that in there comparison test on there web site when the camaros z28 were still offered. Cams and intakes can only produce so much hp then your forced to either raise compression ratio or add power adders.

When you go to a leaner state of air to fuel ratios THAT ALL CURRENTLY SOLD REPROGRAMMERS ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN EVEN TO A 11 TO ONE air fuel  RATIOS.

Rember the act of adding nitrous or forced induction your adding more air .

REmber air is the actual fuel cuase its 15 pounds of air to one pound of fuel in most stock car applications. (Or what is listed in most text books)

So there is other ways to skin a cat and one is to lean the fuel system out again you will make more hp but at same time run hot less liquid to cool the cylinders.

FIRST THING KID LEARNS WITH RC MODEL PLANES AND CARS IS that turnning your high end needle to the left car runs rich and runs cooler. Second thing is that he turns it to the right he runs leaner and hotter but runs like a bat out of hell. (Why rc model engines sale seperately with cylinder sleve and piston and rod kits ) .

Running richer your only pissing fuel away and not maken hp but actualy reducen hp. This is why if your look at your Reprogramers they alter your air fuel ratios in some cases to a 11 to one compression ratios this is almost the same act as adding a small supercharger or small amount of nitrous to the system.

You dont know what your talken about despite your long spews of bs comments that are pointless wordy and have no direction. I use to beat up kids like you in school. MEMORIES! SHUT UP GET TO THE POINT!

Rember this Air if actualy the fuel the Cuases the chemical reaction and the Spark is the catalyst that sets everything in motion.

oH ON THE vtech emissions.

The s2000 is so high tech is bypasses its mufflers at certain rpms to produce more hp. LOL wow the technology they still from old school hot rodders. We call this cut aways ours arent as high tech cuase we use old choke cables lol.

I think your realy stretching when your saying honda and the word technology in the same sentence. Variable time and Cam set ups with a small displacment enging you still come to one Constant peak hp and that is cuased by compression ratios. Ane people wonder why FWD has never done past 10s other than one car but its tin foil on wheels and engine is stuck far past the front wheels lol technology as if.

Bypasses it's mufflers? What?

And, you need to climb out from under your rock. A 10-second FWD drag car is barely competitive these days (Unless you're talking all-motor, and when is the last time you saw an all-motor RWD car with a 2-litre engine running 10's?).

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I don't give a rat's a$$ about the S2000.

LS1 F-bodies have a T56, a 6-speed.  They have so much low end torque, they can get away with a really OD tall gear.  To get that high a govt. rating, they also have a 1 to 4 th shift lockout.

C5s are very aerodynamic.  That's why they also get good mileage.

An S2000 has a very high-breathing head.  While this does support high rpm hp, it does not help fuel efficiency, especially at lower rpm, just like a builtup V-8 with high breathing heads, a fat cam, and a intake to match.

Most stock car applications its 14.7:1, total combustion for cleaner emissions.

You are thinking rich as in "not enough air" and lean as "too much air".

Try and think rich as in "more fuel than air" and lean as "not enough fuel".

Do you know 11:1 is rich, not lean?

When you add nitrous or forced induction, adding more air and leaning it out doesn't make power.  You need to add the appropriate amount of fuel with that air to make power, hence air fuel RATIO.  And adding a bit more fuel makes more power.

With 14.7:1 a/f ratio naturally aspirated, you will make more power running richer than that, like 14:1-13:1.  When you add nitrous or forced induction and no fuel, you will go lean such as 20:1, and your engine blows up.  Add more fuel to 14.7:1 and your engine doesn't blow up.  Go richer with a 13:1-12:1 a/f ratio and you make more power than with 14.7:1.  Too rich and your power drops.  Too lean your engine detonates.

With a ratio, you will still get proportional amounts.  You know that 1076416:97856 is still 11:1 don't you?

Do you know what a ratio is?

Yea, I don't get that.  I think he does more damage to his own credibility.  Exhaust bypass would be illegal.

I think those all-motor Hondas are quite impressive, as long as the ricers know that is a total trailer queen.  Takes some real tuning.

Did I already mention that engineer Chuck Jenckes (currently head of engine development for Dale Earnhardt Enterprises) built a 332 hp S2000 motor?  What he makes at the rear wheel Honda did at the flywheel.  A NASCAR guy builds better imports?  How about that.

http://caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=4&article_id=1810&page_number=3

So illegal the Stock SRT 4 neons come with out mufflers.

You do know mufflers only change the sound of the exhaust and restrict exhaust flow. This can be good cuase back pressure builds better bottom end. Bad cuase to much back pressure cuases power loss.

Contradictions contradictions.

The fact the Corvette is a Fiberglass car with no back seat just might have something to do with it getting better mpg but what do I know.

Idiots on your best of days.

Honda has and always will be the butt of every automotive history class when it comes to the advancment of the automobile.

Vairable intake runners OH MY! Variable valve timenOH MY! STILL SLOWEST VEHICLES ON THE PLANET FOR THE DOLLAR TO PERFORMANCE AND STILL HAVENT made a fast car and all cars still get the worse mpg to any domestic make when you compare same liters to liters.

Honda might of brain washed a few monkeys like your self but in reality they havent done anything in the last 30 years in the advancment of the automobile technology.

WELL SAID!  

why are you replying to yourself?

Maybe you should familiarize yourself with what variable this and that tries to accomplish.  You might also want to make a list of manufacturers and their engines who use one or the other...

It's not just Honda, so I don't know what you are bitching about.