Education Time

Ferrari first off is based on old school theories of short stroke big piston was also seen on the first 302 z28 camraos in the 60s. This is what makes there hp this gives the engine the ablity to free rev to high rpms and with a ferrarie like a v12 engines you get torque also simply cuase of the number of added pistons. This again is not technology nor ever will be.

Force down on a piston and superchargers. This is the act of adding more air and fuel into a cylinder . The object is to creata a bigger explosion or more power full explosion that in turn cuases force down on the piston.

Technology will and always have been in domestic automobiles.

G raten or gforce is the act of hangen a turn and still holding on. The zo6 if you read JAN 01 ISSUE OF CAR AND DRIVER ARTICLE BATTLE OF THE BRANDS. YOU WILL SEE THE 911 TURBO GET ITS ASS HANDED TO IT BY THE Z06 CORVETTE THATS THE OLDER MODEL Z06 NOT THE UPDATED SUPENSION SET UPS . iN THAT YEAR ITS THE SAME CHASSIS SET UP AS THE C5 BUT DIFFRENT MOTORS.

OK on the subject of ricers. The RS escort was the first 2 liter doing 13s sure it ran a crossworth engine but ford pushed the technology to be developed and what is more important the boss who locates and gets the people that can do the job or the person thats just merely a pawn doing the job. In other words if crossworth couldnt make this engine ford would of went other where to find someone who could.

One last thing spouting off about things you have no idea of what you talken about espicaly the guy about the G thing is utterly insaine. One he has never read reports on new cars and not what the idiot writter was paid to say but the stats. Like all things in life there is some level of integrity issues. Ever watch a foot ball movie where the college kids are paid money under the table for doing a good job and did you know americans invinted the nuclear bomb and one year later russians had a replica nuclear bomb. Ok if that goes on in common world where there against the rules with high regulations do you not think its going on in car magazines where haven someone say something good about there car might produce sales. 

Ok take a step back

think

Now take the blinders off cuase you dont want to belive about whats going on in the world and rember what your dad said

life isnt fare in fact it sucks and apply those rules to what we have just said and to what ever someone says about another person or thing

 Oh on the subject of the JAN 01 issue of car and driver article battle of the brands read the stats on the s2000 and the ss camaro and the nsx.

Note the s2000 was slower lap times than the SS camaro and the NSx was only a .4 second faster in lap times than the SS camaro.

Imports dont handel and all cars have there strong points put the ss camaro in a more straight track or one with less winding roads it will dominated over a NSX.

Sorry kids the world roads arent shapped as tight as a go cart track.

As lingenfetler said in a red light to red light world where are you going to use top end and handeling.

Thought lingenfelter has won last three years Supertuner car shoot out with a C5 corvette.

Twin turbo a corvette cost 100 grand and did times of the one million dollar mclarens 11s in 1/4 and 200mph plus.

Mclaren aka bank rupt.

Lingenfelter Gangfully employed.

Case dismissed

First off I already mentioned that the ZO6 can beat the WRX STi and Evo VII and a whole lot more for a whole lot less.

We were talking about the C5, which the WRX STi and Evo VII can hang with.  What I mean by hang, I mean the cars are very much up and up, and very much becomes the driver.  STi and Evo, AWD, hard to screw up.  C5, really easy to screw up trying to keep up with an STi or Evo.  There are too many stories of moron C5 and ZO6 drivers who think they are the ####, don't know how to launch radials, and just haze the rear end and lose to everyone.

"Ferrari first off is based on old school theories of short stroke big piston was also seen on the first 302 z28 camraos in the 60s."

I never mentioned them for rod-stroke ratio.  I said variable this and that helps increases the volumetric efficiency of an engine and used Ferrari as an example.  Do you know what volumetric efficiency is?

I mentioned to make power you need to get more air and fuel into the cylinders.  Your theory for power was the force on the piston.  Try and go backwards one step to what makes the force on the piston.  Re-read what I said.  Try and find the link between variable intake runners and variable valve timing/lift to make power.

RS Escort?  Where did that come from?  And it's Cosworth.

"Which variable timen MSD has been doing since the 70s same with other performance ignition systems."

This was from your previous post but I have to mention it. 

Don't you even read CarCraft??? 

ALL ignition systems are variable.  They have to have an advance curve in order to operate optimally.  This is not something new.  You are too confused to even bash down on imports.

For one a C5 or a Z06 Corvette will out handle almost everything. And the way they test G-force is they drive the car in a tight circle, going faster and faster until the car loses traction. And at that point is were they measure the G-force. As you can see with the minor tweeks the factroy did to the C5's suspension, the Z06 can pull a "G" or better, and that is with a radial street tire. Now lets through a set of radial tires with a racing tire compound on the Z06 and see it pull well over a "G". Also the aftermarket has tons of suspension upgrades for the C5/Z06 that will further enhance the handling of the car. I think with the proper suspension upgrades and the right tire and wheel combo, you could get one of these cars to pull 1.5-2.0 "G's".

Also you do not need to have an advance curve, most drag racers lock out there advance on the distributor and set the base timing around 36 degree's of advance. You see you should have all of your advance in by like 3500 rpm and some engine builders like it to come in even sooner. But with a drag racer that has a 4000 rpm stall converter or a clutch, he is leaving the line at 4000rpm plus, so if his distributor had an advance curve it would already be maxed out. I bring all my advance in around 3000rpm, cause I am running a 3500rpm stall. The only reason I do run an advance curve is cause I will drive this car on the street, but if it was a car that was driven at the track mostly and sometimes on the street I would lock out my timing at about 36 degrees, and not run a timing curve.  

Rs escorts please dont tell me you never heard of the worlds most winningest car in WRC.

Ford rs escorts with cosworth engine in the early to mid 90s ran 13s right out the box and if you dont know this there are ford and chevy fans over seas and some europeans hate hondas toyotas and nissans just like the people that read this magazine.

Travel its a great big world out there and not everyone believes that utter bs Fast and Ferious movie . Which the first two liter turbo Racen blown v8 was first seen in movie Wraith not in Ricers R us. Turbo car was the Shelby turner Daytona. Carol shelby had more to do with the current Ricers of the world than any asain aftermarket and above all did it first.

One good note about the movie Fastest stock time vehicle in the movie was the SVT Ford ligthing that still today clicks off a stock 1/4 at 13.5 time thats faster than the R skylines and nsx of today.

Anyone can lower a car make it light as hell and put power adders on a engine and go faster. This is known as KISS theory keep it simple stupid. Take a full size truck and out run 80 thosuand and some 100 thosuand dollar plus imports at 35 thousand this is known as technology.

What are you insaine?

The C5 corvette is a 12 second car since 2000.

REmber the ls1 camaro is capable with SS package doing 13 flat thats faster than both the STI and the EVO and Better gas milage since the SS camaro can run on mid grade fuel and the ricers HIGH OCTANE ONLY. And was only 2 mpg less than the 2 liter s2000 honda.

Ls1 all aluminum engine composite intake and doing 13s in 3800 pound car SS camaro and tops out stock at over 160mph. ON mid grade fuel not high octane. REmber you piss all your mpg out the window when you pay for high octane fuel.

I think you said something about Volumetric pressures and intakes.

I think your trying to say CFM and Equal length runners is what you want you dont want one cylinder not pruducen uneven pressures . In fact Most of us go through regerous hours maken sure each cylinder will have the same compression and air fuel ratio as all the other cylinders maken sure your engine runs like a well tuned Guitar.

I was wrong the ls1 in the C5 doing 12s since 1998 same with the camaros.

Not only that Intake set ups and custome runner designes is a new thing and imports developed this.

So corvette Crossfire intakes or there current equal runner length intakes dont exist either do they.

Anybody that sites Road and Track as an acurate judge of cars performance is an idiot.  And do you have any idea what punctuation is?

In any case, how does payin g more for high octane gas hurt your gas milage?  It doesn't matter if you pay $5 a gallon for gas, the milage is the same.  I think you mean tos ay you pay more...  Or do I get worse gas milage because gas is $1.80 here than people in the subirbs get paying $1.50?

About the variable timing and intakes, sure you can make just as much top power with a single cam profile and intake profile, that's not the point of variable stuff.  It's to make high power, good torque, with a smooth idle and enoughr eliability to put a warranty on.

Don't get me wrong, I hate imports as much as the next guy, but you're just making a fool of yourself with your slew of run on sentances comming ut of your ass.  Using the word technology every other word doesn't make you smart buddy, and half of what you said is about as right as an 8th grader explaining rocket science.

ummm, I'm not sure where you get your info, but SS Camaros have never done 13 flat showroom.  I've seen mid 13's.  As far as the Vette is concerned, in stock trim, the ZO6 is the only 12 sec vette on the market.  In advertisements, it does the 1/4 in 12.4.  2003 Vettes with the tweaked ls1 do it in something like 13.2.  

Do you read this magazine or any other magazine out of Import R us bias and lies issues.

The Ls1 ws6 trans am in 98 was topped out with top down doing 160mph by car and driver . The C5 corvette does 12 high and the Z06 12s low and thats better handeilng than anything imported for under 300 thousand dollars today. If you read the Jan 01 issue of Road an track you would of also seen the only car that tested equal in lap times for that year was the 360 modena nothing ferrarie has offered in the states since 98 has not been better handeilng than a c5 corvette. Only this year with the gt3 models and limited rs and a 300 thousand dollar price tag has the porsche company been ablot to produce a car that can run in the states with the Z06.

NOte the z06 is what 50 thousand fully loaded and all motor. The 911 and the gussed up gt models are 100 thosuandd dollars stripped and way out dated usen Turbos(power adder over 100 years old and air to air intecoolers. Gm had liquid intercoolers on the 91 to 93 gmc syclones and typhoons suv awd turbo and trucks doing 13s stock think the current twin turbo suv porsch 400hp claime want do this.) and air to air intecoolers.

I think your mind is skewed as to what technology is.

Technology is the act of going faster and cost less money. You can not operate a company on the bases of costing more getting less it will go under every time.

Your just pissed cuase a bone stock ford SVT lighting full size truck is faster anything porsche offers for under 100 thousand and faster than both the NSX and R34 skyline today.

That and your still confused about the RS escorts doing 13s lol Do aol search RS escort Ford. Educate you self or be eliminated

Welcome to the Next level.

Theory THERE IS NO THEORY.

Piston engine there are only TWO ways to make HP.

Once increase force down on the piston. This is done with power adders and compression ratios or even air fuel ratios . And is the act of adding more air and fuel into  a cylinder to make higher combustion. Air fuel ratios make more hp Cuase Air is the fuel the gas is only a igniter of the fuel and spark being the catalyst that sets everything in motion .

Second way is to increase surface area of the piston. This is good choice since your only increasen piston size you normaly are still alowed to run lower octane fuels and still get the power increase. Due to Fuel cost this is not a popular choice but at the same time with fuel costing more than ever running high octane fuel your pissen all your mpg gaines out the window. So if you compare a ls1 camaro to a s2000 2 liter honda the honda gets 2 mpg more but is totaly wasted cuase it runs higher octane fuel than a ls1 camaro. ( This is a issue that is more important today than ever before.) So if you comparing dollars and not MPG the S2000 honda will cost you more in gas money than a LS1 camaro.

Im not sure if my eyes read that corvette owner dont know how to launch radials.

You do know corvette has handeling assisted supension systems and traction control.

Its almost impossible for a Corvette fan to loose traction under a luanch due to these computer assisted items. The wrx sti and Evo have no such technology in there cars only abs.

OH on this subject Road and TRack did this very exact test.

Article called mixen it up it was listed online to. This article took a 911 turbo, NSX and a C5 corvette

They let pro , Semi pro , And average JOE drive all three cars . Well all three turned the best lap times in the C5 corvette and not the nsx or the 911 turbo. So your myth that imports know how to make handeling cars is a utter myth And I strongly suggest you look at stats and not what the writters are paid to write. Though stats at time has integrity issues also cuase car and driver Said you had to drive the s2000 like you hated it and they had to red line it to make it do fast times. Why i mention that is why would they go to great lengths to make this car look good and wouldnt give  a mustang or camaro a hard thump on the gas to produce a fast time.

I read all magazines well when there writting or testing something that I see worth my time reading.

IMports never handel and never get good mpg when comparing same number of liters to same number of liters. Go to www.honda.com they dont claime some of the BS those car mags claime how great there cars are I think its ok for a third party to make those claimes cuase if the manufactured did they would be held reliable and could be sued. Againe integrity issues.

Your absolutely right they tested times of the SS camaro at 12.9 stock but average of three passes was a 13 flat time  

I will have to AGREE with you!!! Who WANTS TO SPENT 80 G'S AND A RICE BUNER, THAT WILL ONLY SAY WITH YOU FOR A FEW MINTUES. THEN BLEW A PISTON RING AND BLOW UP LIKE A POP BOTTLE ROCKET!!!!  

I am fully aware of what the C5 and the ZO6 can do.  Keep in mind I had already mentioned that the ZO6 can beat both the STi and Evo VIII and a whole lot of other cars.  Cars that can beat the ZO6 cost nearly double or more and have worst gas mileage.

And 1.5 to 2.0g is really really pushing it.

I specifically said the STi and the Evo VIII can hang with a C5 (non-Z06 model). 

Your example of not having an advance curve is a specific exception, but it is also possible that those drag cars have poor volumetric efficiency below 3000 rpm and cannot idle below 3000 rpm so there is a possiblility that they idle at 3000 rpm with full advance.  And they are drag race cars, maybe even trailer queens.  Cars that run nitrous or forced induction will retard timing when nitrous is used or when boost increases.

My point was Godspeed777 brought up "variable ignition timing" which plainly shows he does not even know what he is trying to trash talk.