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70TBird
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Posted: 12/24/03 03:53 PM
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Ok rice runner tuner freak here is how ya do it ok look at the
http://www.geocities.com/hotrod_inc/importpower.html
thats how ya do an import!
Edited 12/24/2003 7:11:05 PM ET by 70TBird
Edited 12/24/2003 7:22:36 PM ET by 70TBird
Edited 12/24/2003 7:23:36 PM ET by 70TBird
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Posted: 12/27/03 07:10 PM
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nice. I have found that most of the ricers around here are really dumb about their cars and everything else for that matter. maybe that is why they are so bad at math. more cylinders= more power, simple addition.
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GibTG
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Posted: 12/27/03 07:25 PM
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hah more cylinders dont always mean more power
less cubes=less intake volume required to make upper RPM power, which equals high velocity ports which less cam can be used to keep dynamic compression up, high velocity is stronger interia supercharing pulse effect, a lot of imports have the advantage of sequential fire fuel injection=better fuel atomization and better power and driveability and mileage also some imports have the advantage of 4 valves per cylinder which gives a better chamber design for a faster burn and more effeiienct combustion and yet gives internal and external charge motion and doubles port velocity and gives sufficienct valve area for extreme RPM power levels, also high boost levels make some things null such as valve unshrouding in the small bore also imports have much less mechanical losses due to smaller rod journals/crank journals and have shorter strokes to allow the extreme RPM's
i could go on and on, but i wont
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pushrod
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Posted: 12/31/03 07:23 AM
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High RPM does not equal big power. If thats what your after then build a 2 stroke engine. If cant make power by 6500 or 7000 rpm then give up. Theres no replacement for displacement.
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GibTG
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Posted: 12/31/03 03:42 PM
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i know with raising the RPM range there is more durability problems but you cant tell me that drag cars shouldnt be spun to high RPM, Pro Stockers/Top Fuel leave the line at 10,000 RPM and if i was you id take a look at indy cars
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hamrmech
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Posted: 12/31/03 04:54 PM
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that thing is an mg with big chevy power yes? whats the deal with the ugly paint? a walmart bondo and rattle can paint job would look better then that. i do like the power vs weight issues addressed in that photograph. lots of power and not much weight is ideal! he should have used a ford engine....
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MR4SPEED
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Posted: 12/31/03 06:30 PM
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You are contradicting yourself. "Less cubes = more power", but then go on to back your point with an example of top-fuel cars...last I checked the current top-fuel cars run enormous 8 cylinder engines, am I wrong? Also, horsepower isn't everything, torque is what gets your car out of the hole (that or 6.14:1 gears and 10,000 rpm or whatever). I'm not trying to start something, just curious what your point is... Beer, it's what's for dinner.
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Posted: 12/31/03 06:35 PM
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I agree a ford motor would of been closer to an import motor than a chevy.
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GibTG
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Posted: 12/31/03 07:13 PM
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ever find that i made a direct quote saying that less cubes=more power, no
but i did contradict myself there i should of never mentioned top fuel cars in my statement because they dont apply to any of us, i will repeat myself, when you or I have enough money and the time to race a car that needs to have the engine rebuilt after every race we can talk about top fuel, but as long as we are on the subject of pro stockers at least take a look at this feb. car craft, it compares those "enormous" 8 cylinder engines in pro stockers to 189 CID toyota pro stockers turning the same times, oh what a sin
i understand that torque is what gets you started but i will quote grumpy jenkins, "torque can be geared for, horsepower cant"
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Posted: 12/31/03 07:13 PM
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Gib what you are saying is true, most racing motor are spun to higher rpm's (7000+), but this is at a sacrifice to torque production. As you can see in this dyno pull on a DSM motor, ya it made 550hp, but it only made like 425 ft/lbs of torque, and this all happened between 5000 and 7500 rpm. Below 5 grand it made *** for power. Basically what I'm saying is a small cubic inch motor can make a lot of HP, but it will never make the kind of torque that a low rpm big cubic inch motor will make, it might make the same HP but then how high do you really want to spin the motor. Anyways here's the link to the dyno run.
www.crower.com/cat/import/mitsu/images/dyno/64414.jpg
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Posted: 12/31/03 08:06 PM
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Nice. Hod Rod talks about "area under the curve" and about "peaky" race motors.
I just have to point to the other side of the ocean, where the European manufacturers do a great job in harnessing power with displacement, enchanced by variable this and that.
Many import guys trash talk displacement but forget Europeans do a great job with displacement.
I don't know if this a term used by domestic guys, but a lot of import guys hate "dyno queens". Supra guys usually make up the majority of the dyno queens with their 1000 hp. You can make hp either from torque or rpm. Race engines are going to be limited to displacement, so they can make power via rpm, by extending the engine rpm limits by modifying them. For us common folk with common budgets, rpm becomes a limit, but we have no limit with displacement, unless you race competitively and is required to run a displacement limit.
Edited 1/1/2004 12:00:22 AM ET by irieeyess
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GibTG
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Posted: 12/31/03 09:20 PM
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hah, sorry for being one of those supra guys, lol
yeah i understand what your both saying of course, and dont worry there is still is a big inch small sitting in my backyard, lol
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hamrmech
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Posted: 12/31/03 09:57 PM
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did anyone see the 1000 horse rotary engine article in one of the import rags? it says a metro would waste you at a stoplight if you had it in your car. but after 10000 rpms it takes off. i dont recall if it made much torque though. it went in a dune buggy i think.
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DANE1986
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Posted: 01/08/04 12:46 PM
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YEAH BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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DANE1986
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Posted: 01/09/04 08:30 AM
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THANK ***
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