". . . if the girls were wearling a little less clothing it would be cool, or posing next to some cars . . . "

Until CC is staffed with enough immature degererates to turn "[Off] the Rack" into cheesy, soft-core porn, you can just leaf through a Victoria's Secret catalog in a parking lot  . . . .  ("girls"  and "cars,"  you know)   

BTW, first the Sunday papers cut down the cartoons to where you almost need a magnifying glass to read them and now you want to whack down Krass and Bernie the same way.   Why can't cartoonists get a little respect for their art?  And it's not like the world is just flooded with gearhead-themed comic strips, is it?

Besides, I'm hoping that Krass and Bernie will step in to finish up that "turbo 5.0" that CC promised over a year ago . . .   At least SOMEBODY at CC would be working on it.

Leave the girls to the 'boys' mags, We don't need 'em in the best car mag on the planet!  

Of course if a "Shelia" builds her own car, she ought to be recognized in CC for that . . . 

[Hot Rod's "Real Women of Hot Rodding" feature was a step in that direction]

And last time we discussed this topic, there were some "interesting" ideas for "girls and cars"-themed stories in CC . . . .

[flashback]

"Personally, I'd satire the import hoochie mags with a "Beauties and Beaters" photo spread -- roachie, primered, jacked-up street rats with elegant models posing nearby in extravagant evening and formalwear.  That'd sure turn the crank of those "more girls" fans who probably really just want more low-class "MTV-style" snatch in everything . . . . "

http://forums.carcraft.primediaautomotive.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=carcraft&msg=1598.10

"'And whoever came up with the idea to pair up hotties and beaters is a genius.'"

"I don't know about that, but when I get fired for surfing CarCraft.com instead of working, maybe I could produce the photo shoot!

But I am thinking about expanding it to make it a bit more politically correct, including: 

• Some hot Amish chicks from Lancaster *** PA, scoping out a bitchin Pro-Beater (a tubbed beater--I'm thinking maybe a rusty/primered four door with a huge 8-71 poking out of the hood and some 33" M/Ts) under the disapproving eyes of one of those guys that looks like Fred Ziffel-in-black,  watching from a traditional horse-drawn buggy (but I'll make sure to follow PHR's Johnny Hunkins' advice to catch a "horizon line" reflection on the side of the buggy)
  
• Female motorcycle cops pulling over Magneto's slant 6 (with a couple of his lawn-care sheep in the back seat for our animal-loving friends)
  
• Secretaries fawning all over a V6 Camaro
  
• A female Islamic AAA tow truck driver (in a full veil and burqua, of course) picking up (yet again)  Freiburger's Project "BirdTurd-Formula-for-financial-disaster" Firebird
  
• Hot Indian (as in India) chicks in lab coats dyno-testing Disco Nova (on hold until Freiburger can re-steal THE KING's engine)
  
• Two super-fine Geishas posing with a grinning David Freiburger and his new Suburban (of course these elements have absolutely nothing in common)
  
• Mrs. Freiburger clubbing the Suburban with a rolling pin
  
• Illegal alien chicks dressed as Caltrans flagpersons (okay, "independent contractors"--don't be so technical) with Project Cone Head
  
• Down-home Southern girls throwing a hay bale into the back of Project El Camino
  
• ER nurses bandaging Freiburger's sandal-clad feet after he drops something on them in the infamous Car Craft shop.
  
• Gangsta girls torching up what looks to be Project Heavy Metal (an old "G-ride" Impala CC built and lost about a decade ago)
  
• Librarian chicks with Harry Carey-sized glasses looking over Magneto's HEMI and Wilshire Shaker

OH NO, MY BOSS IS COMING!"

[Man, I really LOVED that job . . . . Actually, the job sucked but the regular paycheck -- now that was nice . . . .]

http://forums.carcraft.primediaautomotive.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=carcraft&msg=1598.34

And how could I have forgotten this one for the photo spread:

• Linda Vaughn and her favorite Hurst Olds . . . you know, the one with the "superior GM engine."  [some Olds fan had been making that "superiority" claim at the time]

http://www.69olds.com/ho.html

Of course we could spice this one up by having the fabulous Miss Hurst holding JEFF SMITH at bay with a tire iron to keep him from ripping out the "superior GM engine" and plugging in another (yawn) expensive LSx into Vaughn's beautiful, classic H/O.

http://forums.carcraft.primediaautomotive.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=carcraft&msg=1598.38

So see, there's room in CC for the fairer sex in the right context . . . .

here ya go Ted

http://www.southwestdrags.com/bom/brenda/augbabe_6.jpg

it stays.  

keep the chicks lose this guys garage.I could care less about cars that never get driven.these guys should all be forced to sell these cars so real car crafters can enjoy them  

Neither feature is informative on how to make your car run quicker and faster for less money.   But "On the Rack" is the greater waste of ink and paper. 

At least parents of younger children don't have to worry about their kids fixating on some "pumped up" underwear model with "This Guy's Garage!"

Although I'd never let any cameras into MY garage or under any of my cars's hoods (why show the "Midnight Auto Supply" crooks what you've got to steal), it's fun to see what other people are collecting or working on in "This Guy's Garage." 

To say a collector isn't a "real Car Crafter" merely because he or she owns more than one race car or street machine is simply ignorant and overly simplistic. (Right Freiburger?)

Collectors commonly preserve unique cars which would not have survived intact otherwise.  Collectors also help keep professional restoration shops and parts suppliers in business, which benefits everyone who works on vintage vehicles.

For example, over the past twenty years Brent Hajek of Ames, Oklahoma, has collected, restored and preserved a couple dozen of the greatest Ford drag cars (along with a smattering of Bonneville, Pikes Peak and NASCAR stockers--and even the odd A/FX MoPar and a couple of Earnhardt "Goodwrench" Chevrolets).  http://hajekmotorsports.com/  Hajek has often shown some of the cars at national events and has even match raced some, despite the escalating values of these one-of-one machines.  If these cars were dispersed willy-nilly into the hands of "real Car Crafters," many of them would probably be altered, lost or never displayed in their original livery.

Mississippi's George Poteet is another well-known enthusiast who has, according to the arbiters of "real Car Crafting" more than his "fair share" of trick machines and rods http://www.cameltoe.net/.  Yet Poteet has bankrolled some of the most innovative machines of the last decade or so.  Without his patronage, Car Crafting and Hot Rodding would be much less interesting places.

And few would disparage the contributions to preserving our 1950-70s muscle car heritage of collectors like Sevierville, Tennessee's Floyd Garrett. http://www.musclecarmuseum.com/

Obviously, most of the garages featured in "This Guy's Garage" are of smaller collectors.  But they play a huge role in making sure milestone vehicles are saved for future generations.   Would it instead be better for some unusual piece out of one of these featured garages  to rot in obscurity behind some mope's trailer merely because it was in the hands of a "real Car Crafter?"

All of us probably know of at least a half-dozen or more cars sitting out somewhere that would be better off sheltered in one of the collections featured in "This Guy's Garage" than languishing in some driveway or backyard of a "real Car Crafter."

Just because you may not have the resources to build or store more than one "project" at a time, try not to be so blind to the positive contributions of "volume" collectors to Car Crafting.

I think turbo coverage is a waste of ink too, but it still gets in the mag.  There's room for both.

I own a 1966 amc (twin to the 67) 1970 xr7, 1972 F-100 XLT, 1975 buick century, 1989 ssv stang, 1998 Cobra, and a 1985 TBIRD TURBO. Keep the pics. I live in FL. Need girs for pics. lmao. Great mag long time reader. PS some of the cars are for sale. Thanks for all the years Jerry  

What "turbo coverage?"  Are you reading a different magazine?

There was a turbo big block camaro in there not THAT long ago as a feature car.  If I remember correctly some of you turbo guys were givin him *** about his paint job being tacky.

ONE STORY IN ABOUT THE LAST FIFTEEN YEARS IS TOO MUCH "TURBO COVERAGE?"

You've got to be kidding me!

CC's done about 20,000 stories on hopping up the SBC  (about the only things they haven't done yet are an SBC-powered Cuisinart , , , or any SBC turbo stories since about 1982) 

They've spun nitrous oxide about 500 different ways since the days when  Jeff "Camaro Craft" Smith wandered off Wilshire Boulevard and into the old Petersen Building. (Artistically, the best one was when a young Mr. Smith concealed an intake plumbed with a hidden under-the-manifold spray system beneath his official GM secret agent trench coat, but the most legendary was Matt King's heroic foray into the 8s)

They've swapped, jetted and rebuilt enough Holley, Carter/Edelbrock, Rochester and Demon carburetors to consume a whole year's worth of worldwide carburetor production. 

They've done enough "header basics" stories that even the most ignorant mope on the crush-bender down at the muffler shop is now an expert.

They've shown us about every possible variation of Camaro known to man (excluding only shag-covered "art cars," lead sleds, OG low riders and Donks . . . Okay, so perhaps they haven't fully covered the Camaro yet . . . )

Yet one piddly, minimally-technical feature on a frankly obsolete BBC turbo set-up (in a Camaro, of course) is an excessive "waste of ink?"

I've seen plenty of closed-mindedness before, but this just takes the global prize! (we may even have to retire the title belt)

idea for "this guys Garage"

I can just see the captions now . . . .

"Honey, does that engine make me look fat?"

"When I asked the about the size of the injector scoop butterflies, the engine builder just said 'D-Cup.'"

"Jo wasn't so much irritated by the motor plate poking her in the butt. However, entangling her right arm in the ignition wiring was a problem."  

"How much does that THANG put out . . . Uh . . . the Hemi , I mean . . . ."

"HURRY! FIX THE ENGINE STAND! I don't think I can hold this fat mutha up much longer!"  

[Of course the tee-shirt classic from twenty years ago . . . ] " Injection is nice, but . . . . "

And the complaints . . . .

"Now that don't look very budget to me . . . "

"Why is that girly blocking my view of the motor?"

"That lighting's so bad you can't even tell anything about  . . . ."

"You got any dyno sheets on that . . ."

"hawcum da chik ain't NEKKID! [sic]"

"She doesn't even have any grease on her hands, so I doubt she even knows anything about that sick 'plant."

"Now my four year old just stares at that scantilly-clad bimbo and screeches 'I wan dat.' Is that any way to run a family magazine?"

"Why don't you have "real" girls and not professional underwear models with their own websites?"

"Why don't you print their phone numbers and a little 'bio' of turn-ons and turn-offs [Just like Import Tuner]

i haven't read this whole thread, but i think on the rack should stay, i like looking at the t-shirts ( t-shirt is spelled b-o-o-b-s right?) i used to look at chicks wearing less than that in that 700,000,000,000,000 page sears catalog, remember?