Ok, everyone knows that if you put a spacer between the carb/throttle body and the intake, you get more power. Well I was wondering if it makes a difference how your throttle body is facing. I have a 91 Ford F-250 EFI and I want to put a throttle body spacer on, Motorvation makes one and it looks pretty sweet for 99.00.... but I am not sure as to whether it will do anything at all being sideways. Any thoughts would be appreciated. 

thanks,

adam

the air is still moving through it one way or the other so it still does its job of adding plenum volume.  The new high tech one are swirled for suppossed increase in air movement.  I would think that it would help.  Try and look for some reviews of it online.  

Throttle body spacers do not work and even been Dyno tested by other car magazines. Mustang And fast fords (I think it was then)Did this article and found Zero performance or or gas millage gaine from this add on. It showed zero performance on the dyno espicaly on small displacment engines but did find some less than a single hp gaine on Larger over 5 liter engines.

In other words its utter junk .

They even called the manufacturer and when questioned about it admitted not doing much or in this case nothing on displacment engines under 5 liters. And Accused them not seeing any Mpg due to haven there foot in the throttle all the time. Which I agree alot of hot rodders can get better than average gas mileage but heavy foot want never allow you to see it.

Its junk if your lucky you can still get a refund.

Swirl types or anything that cuase Air turbulance will slow CFM down and loose hp. PUMPS AND PIPEN one on one will teach you this also real engineers that know what the hell there talken about will go to great great lengths to build a pipen system that will have little to no fluid frition in the pipe adding a swirl in the system is cuasen friction in the pipen system. This is a Urban myth that not true Engineer would ever believe. Call you local tech school take some classes on pumps and pipen it clears up alot of thest Goofy intake systems. And yes air is a lluid.

ok, you say throttle body spacers are junk, but what about carb spacers then?  They do practically the same thing: add plenum volume.  And if you respond, please learn correct grammar;  its makes reading a post a lot easier.  

I can see how a throttle-body spacer would work in a TBI application, but I can't wrap my brain around how they would have any benefit on an EFI engine.

Anyone have any first-hand experience with carb spacers or throttle-body spacers?

ON carbs it does work but is nothing more than a realy cheap mans high rise intake and nothing more. It only allows for fuel air mixture to get into the intake.  YOU CLAIME TO BE A CAR CRAFT READER AND PONDER THIS QUESTION YOU HAVE SERIOUS ISSUES.

Also with that noted Tbi or tpi ETC Dont work cuase fuel isnt injected at the top of the intake. Its realy nothing more than commen sence and i have a piece of aluminum to sell you for 100bucks if you still dont belive me. lol.

OH on the TV commericals about the cyclone piece added to you intake first off its a obstruction to air flow , second adding turbulance in a pipen system slows air flow does not increase it. Also apply what i wrote above you know fuel is injected at the lowest point of the intake so it wouldnt benefit you to have a Turbulance in the pipen system (cuase there theory is maken you think air fuel mixture swirled together makes better combustion NOT TRUE In this application CUASE FUEL IS INJECETED AT LAST MOMENT simply cuase it would slow the amount of air going into the cylinder. PEOPLE USE THAT THING BETWEEN YOUR EARS AND USE SOME COMMON SENCE.

Watch it with the "cheap man" cracks. Isn't that what CC is supposed to be about?

alright buddy, time for you to learn a few things.  First, before you start insulting my intelligence or other people's pride some more, my question about carb spacers was somewhat rhetorical because I saw holes as big as Texas in that theory of yours you tried explaining.  Its all shot to hell.  Yes, I do read Car Craft, and Chevy High Performance, and Hot Rod, and Rod and Custom, and two classic truck mags.  I  do know very much for my age(19).  I may not have led that on, but you shouldn't assume anything, ass.  And TBI isn't injected at the top of the plenum?  Well, I have a truck that will convieniently prove you wrong.  And as far as anything obstructing airflow, how come tests have found that engines with a K&N filter often produce more power than engines with no filter at all.  It is an obstruction isn't it?  Oh but they found it forms the air allowing for more flow to go into the intake.  But that would seem to contradict what you said earlier about any obstruction having a negative effect.  Hmmm.  And just because on other systems fuel is injected into the bottom of the intake port doesn't mean that air travel has nothing to do with output.  Why do you think that TPI are such torquey engines?  Because they have such long intake runners.  Air travel matters honcho.  Ya I'm spouting off, but that is in defense of myself because you had a stick up your ass and decided to insult us who were discussing things with you.  Just don't be so aggressive in your responses.

OK OK calm down young man and let me explaine a few things to you. Sit there and relaxe no one was insulting you.

If there was any gaine from adding a Air filter like K&N to the system it came from the taken away of air turbulance . Let me explaine on what I was telling you before on air turbulance is what you dont want . K&N one of its biggest hypes is it straightens the air before going into the intake this produces a steady straight stream of air into the cylinders.

Think of it like a river. You want a river to flow quickly to the end , so you put as little amount of obstructions and turns in the river so it flows faster and easily. Now think of a K&N and your application as a way of maken the water flow straight down the river with no side Swirls from rocks and other things embeded in the river.

GM on there MAF have a screen in it that resembles a bunch of small metal straws stuck together this produces a straighter flow of air maken air more productive in getting into the cylinder. This Theory is seen in alot of fluid applications. Take fountains in parks They run the water through pipes and then throgh a series of pipes that have many small tubes (or straw looken pipes with in the pipes) with in the pipe. This is why the water stays together in the air when commen out of fountains and doesnt come apart like when you spit.

Take a tech class Fluid controls 9 times out of ten what applies to liquids applies to air in fluid controls And both are grouped together as a Fluid. (Air is a fluid)

well, I think alot of good points have been made by all.  BUT...physics aside, I have real world experience with these spacers, so here's the deal.  My buddy put one of thoes phenolic spacers on his '96 4.0L Jeep and claimed torque and mileage increases, however when I put one on my '94 Dodge 1500 with the mighty 318 I felt absolutly nothing and noticed no mileage increase.  So my point is that it's only $99 and takes 10 minutes to install so you don't have alot to lose trying one.

   -Rock on

The Hotwheels KING!!!  

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I dunno Godspeeds777.  Someone who reads a lot should know how to write...

http://www.carcraft.com/howto/1031/index2.html

http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles/56919/index.html

http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/2944/index.html

http://www.chevyhiperformance.com/techarticles/4533/index8.html

That tech article only proves Im right about swirl spacers they slow the engine down not maken it faster since this spacer made less power than the stock engines set up.

Air turbulance of any kind slow CFM or fluid flow in a system this is not a good thing. Most people go to great great lengths to make pipen systems to shortest rout to each point and straight as possible.

Again im right your wrong and you give links that prove this.

Everything you said, isn't supported by those links.

I am not wrong for saying you have a spelling problem.

You have diarrhea of the mouth.

iTS JUST A 100 BUCKS IF ITS JUST A 100 BUCKS AND IT DOESNT HAVE ANY MEANING TO YOU PLEASE SEND IT TO ME THEN.

ITS JUST A 100 BUCKS LOL PEOPLE IN A BIG OFFICE ARE SITTING AROUND AND THINKING UP JUNK TO SELL TO STUPID PEOPLE JUST LIKE YOU WHO SAYS ITS JUST A 100 BUCKS WHAT YOU GOT TO LOOSE. MAN YOU SHOULD BE THE LOCAL DRUG DEALER YOU FIT RIGHT IN THERE.

ITS JUST CRACK WHAT YOU GOT TO LOOSE.

ASIDE FROM THAT PLEASE SEND ME A 100 BUCKS ANY TIME YOU FEEL ITS JUST A 100 BUCKS.

First off some of us Live life and others like you write about itand  Read about it And I have never to claimed Anything. (reading is just one method of collecting information or data. That medum or format is old dated and partial affective cuase alot of people even adults dont have the time or ablity to read a book hours on end and try and figure out what the writter was trying to say. (cuase he was trying to act intelligent and put in a Bunch of 10 dollar words that mean the same thing as the 5cent words.) Some where in In Literature it became more about sounding and acting intelligent than actualy being intelligent . Hence the 10 dollar words.

Second your first Car craft link showed in a carb application that the swirl carb spacer Made less hp than the STock Carb Set up and the Dyno sheet proved it.

Third Im talken about EFI systems and NOt CARB SYSTEMS. Either way anything that will cuase a turbulance even a Syclone or tornado affect will slow cfm down rember in a Tornado it Has a Centrifigual affect pulling things In wards Then going down wards All this is known as wasted time of CFm and loos at the other end since it didnt just go to point A to B but to C D F then to B.. You dont listen you will se in most CFM applications when you dont want any turbulance some form of Fluid straightener that consist of small pipes suck into a smaller pipe this is what GM is doing with there Screen behind the Mass Air Flow sensors today and maken a screen at same time. (problem is when it gets dirty it does just the opposite it slows air and acts as a obstruction. Anything stuck in a pipe is a obstruction to CFM FACT.) So who ever said that or think it would make engine system better is a complete and utter genius in selling things to stupid ignorant part of society.

Think of it like this There is less than 8 dollars in material and machining so his profit is like alot of things today operating in a almost 100 percent profit margine.

I got some Snake oil to sell you cure for all that ells you.. GOD HOW WE DONT READ AND STUDY HISTORY SO WERE BOUND AND BOUND TO REPEAT REPEAT REPEAT REPEAT .

AND YOU CLAIME TO READ SHEESH.