So Were not rich but we arent stupid

again we recieved a look at what someone else built and how much power it makes without the first stitch of tech information

i don't really care what brand you build as long as there is some real meat-and-potatoes tech to accompany the turbo installation...not how much work went into making a one-off special crossover y-pipe...sizes, potential hp from a given type and/or size, oiling requirements, cooling requirements, kit availability..actually i don't care if you build a motor or not if you just compile the information necessary to write a tech article spoon-feeding me the knowledge requested...  
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fuzzy dice, air shocks & N50's rule

trbo355:
Im the owner of the Disco Era caddy featured in the top 10 affordable street cars section a little while back. I agree that CC needs to do a budget build on a off breed big inch motor with a fatty turbo on it. My caddy was purchased for 500 bucks off Craigslist with an absolute mint 500 inch motor underhood.Hows that for cheap!
  My buddy Marshall and i dreamed up the idea to turbo the biggest tuna boat we could find with the largest engine and that beast is the end result. Total investment is right around 3000 bucks so far and once i get the turbo sizing issues ironed out, i know it will run in the 11's.
   The 13.6 it ran so far felt so lame compared to the few good pulls we have gotten out of it that i know its gonna fly! That run was a slow to boost 10 psi run that ended up being around 10 to 1 A/F ratio when checked later on with a wideband. I had it running 12.5 to 1 A/F and 15 psi boost when the head gasket let go unfortunately.
  Oh well, it was leaking from day one anyways so no great loss. The motor looks cherry inside and once repairs are made, ill post track times! Maybe CC should buy it from me and continue the hunt for power with stock junk. LOL

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Speaking of turbocharged Cadillacs, an iron block twin-turbo Cadillac built by Spectre Performance in an AA/BGS streamliner driven by Kenny Hoover set a record of 330.569 mph at the 2009 SCTA World Finals at Bonneville.  

http://spectreperformance.com/blog/

http://www.bangshift.com/blog/Meet-the-Record-Holding-Infidel-Streamliner.html  
http://speedzzter.blogspot.com

Wow!  
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460_BBF_Turbo-in-CC (formerly Dr511scj) "This guy has no life other than posting endlessly on carcraft.com." -- Car Craft, July 2005
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October 1, 2003: " I'm thinking a couple of...turbos, blowing through an old Powerstroke intercooler...on a Super Cobra Jet-head 460 would be mad cheap and make sick power."
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"I have no problem with your...talking to several versions of yourself...or pointing out our failure to do a turbo story ...." --Douglas "CC/Rambler" Glad

and yet another reason for a grass-roots tech article on the finer details of turbo boost

maybe unpopular cars with unpopular carbureted motors is as different as chevelle (have to give js his credit) craft dares to be...  
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fuzzy dice, air shocks & N50's rule

Gee Doc, Speedzzter kind of cheated you out of the big "511th post" we were all expecting . . . .  
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TURBO TED --Internationally known as the "John Force of the Yugo Racing Association."

Sergeant-at-Arms and immediate Past President of the SoAL Yugo Owners Group.

I guess so.

Six orbits of the Sun ago, when I started "gigging" the (then) Freiburger-Helmed CC for a "real world" non-Chevy Big Block turbo build, I had no idea that it would go on this long.

The original author of this thread, Godspeed 777, hasn't logged into CC's forum since November 15, 2003.  I wonder if he's even aware of how the thread he started has stayed alive.  The other initial posters to this thread, Irieeyess, Superbee 426, and Joegekko have also moved on.

Even David "Turbos are for diesels" Freiburger has moved on -- leaving the magazines for on-line television and then returning to oversee Hot Rod and Hot Rod Deluxe.  

And my former screen name "DR511SCJ" has been retired.

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DR511SCJ had its roots back in the 1980s, when I owned my first turbocharged car, a Mustang SV0.  In 1986, Ford's SVO division published a technical annual and catalog.  One of the cars featured was a BBF-powered "research" Mustang.  It had been bored and stroked to 511 cubic inches.  This triggered my speculation about an SVO with a turbocharged 511 BBF.

I wasn't new to turbocharging, though.  I'd been an enthusiastic convert ever since I'd read Tom McCahill's colorful report on a turbocharged 1966 Dodge Dart in one of Dad's old Mechanix Illustrated magazines.  And I'd been part of a failed group attempt to purchase an expensive Gale Banks turbo kit in the early '80s.

My own turbo project aspiration before seeing that SVO 511 BBF was to build a twin-turbocharged clone of a GTO Judge.  I started doing the engineering math, crude drawings, and component specifications while in graduate school.

The Mustang SVO was just to tide me over for a few years and give me a little taste of the turbocharged power I'd been dreaming of since childhood . . . .

When SVO/Ford Racing released the Super Cobra Jet heads for the BBF, it became clear that a production-block Pontiac would never be sufficient.  Besides, GM A-bodies are fairly large and heavy for an "all-out" supercar.

Thus, I discarded the idea for a Turbo-Judge clone, sold the Pontiac parts cars, and transferred the engineering to a SCCA Trans-Am-inspired "Ford-in-a-compact-Ford" project.  

That's where the "511SCJ" part comes from.

As for "DR" . . .  I'd always admired the stories about "Mr. Four Speed" Ronnie Sox.  And when the on-line world became assessible to non-IT folks, I toyed with the idea of using "Mr. Four Speed" as a tribute screen name.  But, I though better of it.  Initially, I wanted to be "Mr. Five Speed" but that name was often unavailable.  

Because a "Doctor" has higher esteem and status than a "Mister" and I'd earned the necessary university degrees, I decided to use DR511SCJ.

"Now you know the rest of the story"

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My post to this thread was probably only my second or third post to the fledgling CC board.

As for my own turbo project . . . I've still got lots of parts and a great place to assemble them, but life (family, job, financing, time) has often gotten in the way of the "plan coming together."  As fans of the Chicago Cubs say "Maybe next year . . . ."

As I've said earlier in this thread, my campaign for a B-I-G Non-Chevy turbo project was really a vicarious way to verify my dusty calculations and engineering assumptions and to see the idea I'd nurtured so long come to life.  

It was also a way to tweak Freiburger's claimed disdain for turbos.  His famous F-Bomb project car evidences that he's "seen the light."

There are children in school who aren't as old as this thread.  

And the world has changed in these past six years.

The OEMs are rediscovering turbos.  Turbos are setting record after record in competition. The newsstand is packed with magazines on high-performance turbo-diesel trucks. We are at the dawning of a new era for turbocharged power.  

But, the availability of V8 power, at least in affordable new vehicles, is again under threat. Climate change hysteria has consumed the public agenda. The economy and the automotive aftermarket have fallen on hard times.

Now, the idea of a hulking turbocharged big-block engine built on-the-cheap seems naive and quaint.  Yet as this thread shows, there are still a few hardy souls who are actually doing it!

I suppose I'll carry on with "bumping" this thread, perhaps out of nostalgia or stubbornness.  I dread the day when CC decides to lock it or take it down or purge it, because it's really a part of CC's history now.

And my personal history . . . .  

How was that for the "big '511th post'"?  
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460_BBF_Turbo-in-CC (formerly Dr511scj) "This guy has no life other than posting endlessly on carcraft.com." -- Car Craft, July 2005
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October 1, 2003: " I'm thinking a couple of...turbos, blowing through an old Powerstroke intercooler...on a Super Cobra Jet-head 460 would be mad cheap and make sick power."
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"I have no problem with your...talking to several versions of yourself...or pointing out our failure to do a turbo story ...." --Douglas "CC/Rambler" Glad

WOW doc, that almost drew a tear  

sounds as if you might be trying to hand off the "turbo torch"...
i'm not the guy that's gonna grab it...

didn't Magnante build up a slant-six several years ago...and make two or three articles out of the project?... maybe we collectively should rally to get Steve as the EIC of the magazine...we'd really get some interesting, if not down right weird stuff then

just a thought  
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fuzzy dice, air shocks & N50's rule

Nah, I'll just have'em pile all the languishing parts into my casket . . . .

No handoff necessary.

Magneto's stuff is golden.  Even those passes through the JY are entertaining.  And he's about the only guy on the Barrett-Jackson coverage who seems to really know what he's talking about.  
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460_BBF_Turbo-in-CC (formerly Dr511scj) "This guy has no life other than posting endlessly on carcraft.com." -- Car Craft, July 2005
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October 1, 2003: " I'm thinking a couple of...turbos, blowing through an old Powerstroke intercooler...on a Super Cobra Jet-head 460 would be mad cheap and make sick power."
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"I have no problem with your...talking to several versions of yourself...or pointing out our failure to do a turbo story ...." --Douglas "CC/Rambler" Glad

well i come here every-once-in-a-while...to check the post count on this puppy...AMAZING!!!


when it hits 100k hits...lets do some guerilla emailing to the Editors...all of them...

PHuk BJ (since 2001, they are the reason this hobby is practically no longer affordable )....and can you cay ECOBOOST???? throw that motor in an early falcon or a 70 maverick.....




i have read this post when it was at 115....


nosnerd (my old name b4 i got bounced...)  

Thanks for staying with the thread, nosnerd.

Barrett-Jackson and the other auctions merely reflect supply and demand.  We could just as well blame the internet for expanding the size of the market and drying up many of the local "deals."

However, most of the supercars from the minimally-regulated "high compression" era (i.e. 1950s and 1960s) are over forty years old.

Forty or more years of attrition from road salt, rust, auto theft, crashes, ham-fisted driving, racing, "parting out," modification, and abuse have winnowed their ranks.

Even as it is, many, if not most supercars cost more to restore than the price guides say that they're worth -- even in undriven, pristine form.  

And modification of cars to the prevailing "magazine-quality" standards of fit, finish and performance is usually even more expensive (For example, some PHR readers are complaining that Johnny Hunkins has spent more than $30,000.00 on a "NASCAR RAT-ROD"-styled 1975 Chevrolet Laguna. . . . And it's a modest, low-tech build based on a rust-free original of a fairly cheap car)

The supply side is also hurt by the reduction of RWD V8s built by Detroit.  We are now thirty years into the FWD era.  The ubiquity of FWD has probably done more to hurt Car Crafting than any other development of the past four decades.

The supply side is further hurt state emission inspections (which increases demand for "exempt" cars) and the increasing complexity of cars built after 1981.

We're not really much different than the old guys complaining about the supplies of $25 Model Ts and $50 Model As drying up during the "muscle car" era.  

Of course the great thing about turbos is that, properly applied, they can yield "on-demand" supercar or near-supercar performance from almost any vehicle, without compromising utility or normal, part-throttle driveability.

A turbo may not be able to make a modern "smogger" look like a Boss 302, GTO, Hemicuda, or SS454, but it can sure make a "throwaway" late model out-run these now-expensive legends.  
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460_BBF_Turbo-in-CC (formerly Dr511scj) "This guy has no life other than posting endlessly on carcraft.com." -- Car Craft, July 2005
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October 1, 2003: " I'm thinking a couple of...turbos, blowing through an old Powerstroke intercooler...on a Super Cobra Jet-head 460 would be mad cheap and make sick power."
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"I have no problem with your...talking to several versions of yourself...or pointing out our failure to do a turbo story ...." --Douglas "CC/Rambler" Glad

i don't know what bothers me more about johnny's car,
the fact that he spent over 30k on it...
or that he did it within a years time

who (besides john) has that kind change laying around?  
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fuzzy dice, air shocks & N50's rule

How about that he named it "Project Talladega."

That's almost as bad as calling it "Project Thunderbolt" or "Project Mustang."  A Talladega is a NASCAR championship-winning Ford, not a mid-70s Chevy.

For that kind of money, it ought to be a lot quicker and faster.

Almost four grand for a "flat" paint job isn't exactly the deal of the Century, either.  Perhaps it would have been better to keep the stock paint and spend the coin on a turbo system  

Or he could have bought this Laguna-El-Camino-Limo . . . .  
http://speedzzter.blogspot.com

i was looking at the paint numbers too...
looking at $3400 in incidentals to install the engine and trans    and that's after subtracting the sale price of the old motor and trans

he also spent twice what i did on the engine and/or the trans...i only have an aluminum headed sbc stroker with tci 700r4...semi-truck drivetrain shop cut driveshaft for $40

haven't seen test results yet...
also thought of racetrack in alabama in reference to the name...but now that you mention it, i do recall that ford had a special addition of ...wasn't it the gran torino? that was called talladega  
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fuzzy dice, air shocks & N50's rule

hi guys ..don here from aussie... I got a k27 kkk turbo of a audi and have had a simple log made up. I'm also going twin turbo so I'm now hunting down another! Turbos don't have to match on a big straight six (250 ford crossflow Australian ) so I'm getting a bigger turbo for top end.. just going to keep checking ebay until i see somthing...

The small one will wack em down low a slightly bigger will give the top end.

there is a fair bit of pipe work for this..

Using a external 50mm wastegate and methonol spray injection with no intercooler...  

there is a picture..

this is a 4.1 250ci crossflow efi ford..

the diagram is where the second turbo will go... it has to be out of the way of the back turbo so is a low mount... the ext wastegate goes in the middle of the manifold ..exhaust will also have to join under the car... the intake will also have to join ..and it will have a bosh vain meter ( bmw oversize version)..

the computer will be the std ford eec1v and will have a ait turbo piggy back supplying to extra injectors in before the plenum... there will be no inter cooler..this thing will have a boot mounted methanol tank and a Fugger spray to cool intake temps...

timmining will have a msd btm ( boost timing master ) to control retard under boost..

the head will have a decomp plate from mike vine turbos ( cappalaba ,)brisbane Australia..that will lower comp to 7.1 so it can run better inital timming and also doesn't run as hot..   this motor has 70 000 kms on it and was bought from a old guy in Brisbane..motor also will get the hd valve springs when i pull the head and fit the decomp plate...and a mild port with the flap wheel on the short return..

power ?  hopping for 11s in a 1974 td cortina.. this is a simple twin turbo efi set up...  very similar as the ones fitted to falcons by AIT in the 80s.. running kkk German turbos( as fitted to porsche/Audi).. boost could be wound right up but no point ...


cheers
don.