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jalamon
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Posted: 07/08/06 08:35 PM
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I was gonna suggest an article about building two budget 500 HP GM small blocks; a 350 with a large roots blower running low boost of 5 psi or less, and a naturally-aspirated 383. I wanted to know how the costs and performance of each compared, but the Big Power from a Little Blower article in the September issue covered the first option very well, even though it uses a small blower. It sure seems like it would be hard to beat the torque curve produced by that set up, but I'd still like to see what you can get from an unblown 383 for about the same cost.
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sc68z/28
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Posted: 07/15/06 08:17 PM
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Part 2 , a budget build 383 N/A SBC can be found on page 114 of Hot Rod sept 06.
500+ HP for $5000.
Bill.
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Posted: 07/24/06 08:08 AM
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is 5 grand really cheap anymore? I mean sure...I could go out and drop 13k on one of those SBC 454's...but thats ludicris. A budget build in my book is half of that 5k cost....so about 2500-2600....I know that can be done. Id just like to see how theyd do it. cheap out all the parts one can. try building a 500hp beast from swap meet parts...thatd be cool. -God bless -Shred
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Posted: 07/24/06 10:59 AM
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383ci Chevy Dyno Packages Power at Flywheel |
RPM |
Torque |
H.P. |
2500 3000 3500 4000 4500 5000 5500 6000 |
432 450 475 513 515 488 449 390 |
207 257 316 390 441 464 471 446 | |
Dyno Test Criteria |
Horsepower: Engine: Heads: Compression: Carburetor: Ignition: Cam: Exhaust: Fuel: |
460 HP 383ci AFR Street 180 Aluminum Cyl. Heads 9.5 Holley 0-80779 750 cfm MSD Distributor 34° Timing Comp Cams 280 Magnum Hyd. Cam 1 3/4" Headers 93 Octane Pump Gas |
Engine built and dyno tested by American Speed |
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RPM |
Torque |
H.P. |
2500 3000 3500 4000 4500 5000 5500 6000 |
448 459 483 501 501 488 469 411
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223 262 326 381 429 464 491 470 | |
Dyno Test Criteria |
Horsepower: Engine: Heads: Compression: Carburetor: Ignition: Cam: Exhaust: Fuel: |
480 HP 383ci AFR Street 180 Aluminum Cyl. Heads 9.5 Holley 0-4779 750 cfm MSD Distributor 36° Timing Comp Cams 12-432-8 Hyd Roller Cam 1 3/4 Headers 93 Octane Pump Gas |
Engine built and dyno tested by American Speed |
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RPM |
Torque |
H.P. |
2500 3000 3500 4000 4500 5000 5500 6000 |
457 467 483 511 517 504 481 439 |
231 273 322 389 443 480 503 502 |
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Horsepower: Engine: Heads: Compression: Carburetor: Ignition: Cam: Exhaust: Fuel: |
500 HP 383ci AFR Street 195 Cyl. Heads 9.5 Holley 0-4779 750 cfm MSD Distributor 36° Timing Comp Cams 12-433-8 Hyd Roller Cam 1 3/4" Headers 93 Octane Pump Gas |
Engine built and dyno tested by American Speed ultilizing an Edelbrock RPM Performer Manifold |
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RPM |
Torque |
H.P. |
2500 3000 3500 4000 4500 5000 5500 6000 |
439 454 487 520 518 503 480 443 |
226 262 330 396 444 479 503 506 |
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Horsepower: Engine: Heads: Compression: Carburetor: Ignition: Cam: Exhaust: Fuel: |
500 HP Super Chevy 383ci High School Hot Rod AFR Street 195 CNC Competition Heads 9.4 BG Silver Claw 750 Carb. with 75/83 Jets MSD 85551 Distributor 36° Timing Comp Cams 12-433-8 Hyd Roller Cam 1 3/4" Headers 93 Octane Pump Gas |
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Engine built and dyno tested by American Speed ultilizing an Edelbrock RPM Performer Manifold |
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RPM |
Torque |
H.P. |
4000 4500 5000 5500 6000 6500 7000 |
550 559 570 592 611 587 520 |
500 510 560 610 692 630 540 |
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Dyno Test Criteria |
Horsepower: Engine: Heads: Compression: Carburetor: Ignition: Cam:
Exhaust: Fuel: |
690 HP 383ci - Blown with 671 Weiand AFR 195 Competition Package 7.8 2 Holley 650 Double Pumpers MSD Billet Distributor 32° Timing Xtreme Energy Hyd Roller Comp Cams 230°/236° .544-.555 lift 114 Lobe Center 1 3/4 Headers 93 Octane Pump Gas
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Engine built and dyno tested by American Speed |
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Edited 7/24/2006 12:02 pm by EthelkilledFred (EthelkilledF)
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Posted: 07/24/06 11:58 AM
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ya a parts bin engine that wouold be cool but you'd have to go to alot of swap meets in your state and make some flyers of stuf your looking for
on that list. that would be your only option of what your looking for
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blockhaed
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Posted: 07/25/06 07:00 AM
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could you give me an estimate on what the crank horse power and torque would be for this combo, me and my dad are building this, it is a present to me from him, and he picked out the parts but only has a vague idea of what it will put out and i just wanted to know if you could tell me a little more specific. hanks
1979 chevy 350 bored .040 over
dart pro 1 200 cc heads with the .550 lift spring kit
probe forged full floater pistons 10.7:1
eagle cast crank
h-beam rods forged all balanced (crank, rods, pistons,)
lunati 07103 cam flat tappet
edelbrock victor jr port matched intake
quick fuel tech 750 cfm double pumper
crane 1.5 full roller rockers
1 5/8 headers
25% underdrive pulleys (march)
Mallory hyfire VI cd ignition box
comp 9000 mallory distributor w/o vacuum advance
some other things that wont make hp are pioneer flex plate and balancer, 8 qt oil pan, he also bought a performer nitrous plate system but he wont tell me what it is capable of, i believe 100 hp or so.
all on 93 octane gasoline
thanks
joey
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Posted: 07/25/06 09:16 AM
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First you need to look up the cam spec's yourself and list the spec's, second you need to have your facts straight-it's a flat tappet hyd, not a flat tappet, wasted time looking it up in the wrong catogory of the cam catolog. Now if you look at the examples of 383 given, the difference between most of them is the cam. So looking at your cam-
Street Master Camshaft Hyd.Flat Tappet RPM 2500–6500 Adv. Dur 295 Int./Exh. Valve Lift .534 Int./Exh. Lobe Angle 108 Deg
245/245 @ .050 with 4 degrees installed advance. The closest to your combo would be the first one at 460hp-
460 HP 383ci AFR Street 180 Aluminum Cyl. Heads 9.5 Holley 0-80779 750 cfm MSD Distributor 34° Timing Comp Cams 280 Magnum Hyd. Cam 280/280 .480/.480 110 lc 230/230 @ .50 1 3/4" Headers 93 Octane Pump Gas Now you have more compression to go with the bigger cam but you have smaller headers, my guess is @ 470-480hp. Now in my opinion your cam and headers are too small so if you went with 1 7/8 headers and go with Comp Cams Special Order Cam 12-356-4 hyd: 312/320 .540/.540 110 lc 260/268 @ .050 you would get well over 500hp. I did a similar motor with a solid not hyd 260 @ .050 with .540 lift and 106 lc in an El Camino with 3.08 gears that ran like a bat out of hell. We put 4.11 and it became a 1/4 mile terror for a 3,800 lbs car.
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jalamon
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Posted: 08/25/06 09:33 AM
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I had a similar setup on a 350, with no overbore and about 10:1 compression, in a '68 Camaro. I didn't get it dynoed, but with the headers open, 4.11 gears, and using 8" M/T slicks it ran a best of 12.27 at 114 mph. The trans was a TH400 with a B&M Tork Master 3000 torque converter. The cam I had was a Lunati with close to the same specs as yours. Mine was a Bracket Master II 00012 hydraulic flat tappet. Duration @.050 IN/EX: 246/246, with .515"/.515" valve lift and a 108 lob separation angle. With the 1.6 Crane roller rockers I was using the lift came out to .549". The heads were TrickFlow with 195cc intake ports. Intake was an Edelbrock Performer RPM and the carb was only a 600cfm Carter AFB, with a 1" spacer under it. I also modified the ports on the heads and intake manifold to match the gaskets, but the Victor Jr. and 750 carb you're using would've been a better match to my heads and cam. With all the overlap from the 108 sep angle, the cam was pretty radical, and plenty of cam for a 350 that was driven on the street. That's the reason I kept the carb and intake small, but you'll have better top end power than mine with your setup. Check the exhaust port size on your AFR heads. I think you'll need bigger headers for those ports. Probably 1 3/4, or at a minimum try to open up the ports on the 1 5/8 header flanges to match the AFR exhaust ports. With the .040 over, bigger carb, and the Victor Jr., your motor should be a strong runner. In my '68, that would've put it in the 11's for sure. Jack
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