Instead of fighting import vs domestic, ford vs chevy, cats vs dogs, we should be fighting the good fight against those who are really against us. US VS THEM. When we fight amongst ourselves, they have won!

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GOODBYE CARLSBAD -- SDMS, Tuesday, August 03, 12:38:23am
ITS A SAD DAY, WE JUST RECIEVED OUR 7 DAY NOTICE TO LEAVE..
THIS SUNDAY 8-8 WILL BE THE LAST BRACKET RACE AT CARLSBAD RACEWAY, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE ALL THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE SUPPORTED US OVER THE YEARS COME OUT FOR ONE LAST RACE.. LETS GO OUT WITH A BANG.. HOPE TO SEE YOU ALL THERE....ITS BEEN A GOOD 41 1/2 YEARS FOR THE TRACK AND 11 GREAT YEARS FOR ME ..IVE MET SOME REALLY GREAT PEOPLE , ILL MISS THAT,,GUESS ILL HAVE TO JOIN A BOWLING LEAGUE TO FILL MY SATURDAYS,,,,COME ON OUT ILL BE LOOKING FOR YA..THANKS AGAIN WOODY

Sad day in San Diego -- Rico, Saturday, August 07, 12:41:19am

Lots of great memories. SD will never be the same without the place. I hear rumors that Sunday 8/8 is cancelled and that 8/7 is the actual last day. Can anybody confirm this? Last minute word is the dozers have their marching orders to start levelling the place on Sunday.

[> [> [> Sunday is still a go. -- Ken, Saturday, August 07, 08:26:17pm

It was real packed today. Tomorrow will be even more crowded.

I have a lot of memories there. Even though it was beat up, it was the ONLY 1/4 mile we had. Personaly.....I think 1/8 mile is an ABSOLUTE joke and a complete waste of time. R.I.P. Carlsbad. I guess its back to the streets!

let me guess snorting nos?

im not complaining about the old imports! my friend has a datsun fairlady 1500!

ive never been there but thats sad. i know your gonna miss it but just grit your teeth  and... well iguess move to a place that has a 1/4 mile dragstrip. the guys that killed carlsbad WILL GO TO HELL.

you must be a import lover, especially if you call nitrous oxide N-O-S

the term nos has been used long before imports were popular. doesn't exactly make him an import lover

no im not. since when was an el camino a import!? i just use that term cause its easier to spell.

"Instead of fighting import vs domestic, ford vs chevy, cats vs dogs, we should be fighting the good fight against those who are really against us. US VS THEM. When we fight amongst ourselves, they have won!"

I have to really take issue with this statement, it is totally erroneous. The issue with Carlsbad is the same issue with all of So Cal strips, is land use issues. I just saw this last summer when I was visting LA in a front page advertisement in the real estate section in the LA TIMES: Townhomes in Carlsbad by the sea (which doesn't mean the Townhomes are by the sea it's just some stupid name for Carlsbad made up by a developer)- close to LA. CLOSE TO LA MY EYE! You'd be lucky to make it during light traffic in a hour and a half. The running sore on the face of the earth that is urban Southern California will soon enough be up and over the grapevine. Dragstrips need to be out in the middle of nowhere so thunderous cars with no muffs don't annoy the neighbors. Almost all of California Dragstrips that have been closed down have been closed to encroaching urban development. The import vs American deal has had absolutely nothing to do with it at all, at the tracks you see motorcycles and even trucks racing each other as well as cars. Tracks are a business for most part and will let just about anybody in.

It's a lie and a bad lie too because it diverts attention from what the reality of what the situation is, while promoting dissention.

WTF are you taking about?

"Instead of fighting import vs domestic, ford vs chevy, cats vs dogs, we should be fighting the good fight against those who are really against us. US VS THEM. When we fight amongst ourselves, they have won!"

I have to really take issue with this statement, it is totally erroneous. The issue with Carlsbad is the same issue with all of So Cal strips, is land use issues. I just saw this last summer when I was visting LA in a front page advertisement in the real estate section in the LA TIMES: Townhomes in Carlsbad by the sea (which doesn't mean the Townhomes are by the sea it's just some stupid name for Carlsbad made up by a developer)- close to LA. CLOSE TO LA MY EYE! You'd be lucky to make it during light traffic in a hour and a half. The running sore on the face of the earth that is urban Southern California will soon enough be up and over the grapevine. Dragstrips need to be out in the middle of nowhere so thunderous cars with no muffs don't annoy the neighbors. Almost all of California Dragstrips that have been closed down have been closed to encroaching urban development. The import vs American deal has had absolutely nothing to do with it at all, at the tracks you see motorcycles and even trucks racing each other as well as cars. Tracks are a business for most part and will let just about anybody in.

It's a lie and a bad lie too because it diverts attention from what the reality of what the situation is, while promoting dissention.

If I got to explain it you just don't get it.

Import vs domestic is not import vs American.

Carlsbad was in the middle of nowhere and suburbia moved in just like Ontario Motor Speedway, Riverside Speedway, Orange County Raceway, Corona Speedway, Saugas Speedway to name a few. Now Brotherhood Raceway was at the docks of Los Angeles were noise was not a problem to home owners, but greed was, and it was shut down. When car guys, be it import or domestics are divided, they can not stand united against the likes of these money hungry land barons who will use all the cities resources to put out a buisness in order to come in a replace it with there buisness. The state of CA. will spend millions on fighting street racing, millions on soccer feilds, millions on building football staduims, and allow buisness that polute to buy smog credits instead of clean up their act yet try to repeal somg exempt law on 75 and older cars, allow gas refineries to shut down in order to raise gas prices, allow utilitiy companies to jack us on our electric bills, but will not give a red cent to use on a solution that is out there to curb street racing. As car guys united, we can stand up by using our power to vote, protest, and stand together on issues that help promote, or worst of all defeat our fight. Together we will not be defeated. Fighting amongst ourself only helps in keeping us divided on issue pertain to cars and how they effect everyone, not just imports or domestics.

I don't own an "domestic" my car is American, plain and simple. A domestic is one of the servants that live like slaves in those screwed up multi-million dollar monster homes that they have bulldozed the country-side for. I know, I built a few of them.

Calling my can a domestic is an insult. It's American, got it?

Well considering the running sore on the face of the earth that is the southlands, you are gonna have your hands full. You rape the earth for water and then build suburbia in the desert with green green lawns and trees. Growth is your problem and with air that no normal human can breathe and every flat surface covered with concrete where are you going to build tracks?

I grew up in LA, my grandfather had a ranch in orange county, he sold it and they planted oranges on it in my fathers time. In my time the orange groves were paved over for housing and I saw my neighborhood turn into a urban warzone. Now all the houses have been bulldozed for cracker box apartments, It's no home to me. I moved, with 30 million people living in a desert and no open coastline anymore I really wonder why people stay there at all. I raced most of those tracks you mention as did my father and his father; and I watched most of them close. I was made an outsider in my own town so I left. You created the monster and now you turn to others and try to lay the blame on what? Those tracks were open to everybody without prejudice. I belong to a car club that is part of the Association of California Car Clubs, we lobby to get our voices heard. I don't live in a smog zone anymore, and it is ludicrous to fight tooth and nail for smog exemptions that will never pass. If we fight for all or nothing bills we will get nothing. Fact is that I believe New Cars that run on gasoline should be illegal, but instead all you city folk buy massive suv's that have just worsened the problem even more. I'm not going to sacrifice everything I have worked for just to lose it all because you people down there have no city planning and no "greenspace" laws that would provide for areas where that there could be tracks built.

Today we make a stand here to defend our water here in the north, I believe we should shut down the California aquaduct, that would force people down south out of their silly dream. YOU are the ones with the power, YOU elected a Movie Star, YOU control the senate and assembly; yet somehow we who have done basically EVERYTHING to protect the Hotrod hobby are to blame? Get off your a$$ and vote. Take a clue from your Japanese gods and as they say: "Fix the problem, not the blame".

I disagree to agree-

I don't own an "domestic" my car is American, plain and simple. A domestic is one of the servants that live like slaves in those screwed up multi-million dollar monster homes that they have bulldozed the country-side for. I know, I built a few of them. American cars have not exisited for awile. It used to be that the union worker building the car could afford that car and a decent way of life, today the workers building these cars do not own the very car they build. 

Calling my can a domestic is an insult. It's American, got it? Disagree, when you take out Canada, Mexico, German, Brazil and Japan's parts to name a few out it, and you do not involve NAFTA and the world bank then we might agree.

Well considering the running sore on the face of the earth that is the southlands, you are gonna have your hands full. You rape the earth for water and then build suburbia in the desert with green green lawns and trees. Growth is your problem and with air that no normal human can breathe and every flat surface covered with concrete where are you going to build tracks?  Agreed

I grew up in LA, my grandfather had a ranch in orange county, he sold it and they planted oranges on it in my fathers time. In my time the orange groves were paved over for housing and I saw my neighborhood turn into a urban warzone. Now all the houses have been bulldozed for cracker box apartments, It's no home to me.Agree I moved, with 30 million people living in a desert and no open coastline anymore I really wonder why people stay there at all. Agree but I like the desert. I raced most of those tracks you mention as did my father and his father; and I watched most of them close. I was made an outsider in my own town so I left.Agree You created the monster and now you turn to others and try to lay the blame on what? Disagree, monster was already here when they bulldozed the orange groves. Those tracks were open to everybody without prejudice.Agree I belong to a car club that is part of the Association of California Car Clubs, we lobby to get our voices heard. I don't live in a smog zone anymore, and it is ludicrous to fight tooth and nail for smog exemptions that will never pass. If we fight for all or nothing bills we will get nothing. Fact is that I believe New Cars that run on gasoline should be illegal, Agree but instead all you city folk buy massive suv's that have just worsened the problem even more.Agree, but I drive a fwd car that is good on gas not an SUV like others. I'm not going to sacrifice everything I have worked for just to lose it all because you people down there have no city planning and no "greenspace" laws that would provide for areas where that there could be tracks built. Nice, and how was this done, city leaders involved?

Today we make a stand here to defend our water here in the north, I believe we should shut down the California aquaduct, that would force people down south out of their silly dream.I agree, they should not build homes unless there is enough available water and adequate roads to handle the amount of people they are going to bring into a community. YOU are the ones with the power, YOU elected a Movie Star, Didn't vote for him, voted for someone who we hoped would make a change. When the elected officials leave a mike "on" while talking to each other and admit they are stalling on the budget, yeah, I'm tired of the way things are run but hope the elected leader will make a change, didn't vote for him, but will support him until a better candidate for my views comes along. YOU control the senate and assembly; yet somehow we who have done basically EVERYTHING to protect the Hotrod hobby are to blame? Get off your a$$ and vote. Agree, I vote on small elections also, those are the most dangerous ones, not enough show up to vote and laws get passed that nobody agrees with except those that profit from it.  Take a clue from your Japanese gods and as they say: "Fix the problem, not the blame". Don't beleive in Japanese gods, just one god that they are trying to take out of the pledge of allegiance.

you must be a import lover, especially if you call nitrous oxide N-O-S

Sad to say it, Gib, but the term has been around since the 1980's. It stood for Nitrous Oxide Systems, and as far as I remember, were like THE ONLY company who made nitrous kits back then. Yeah, back when we used to ice down the bottles(BLUE, by the way, the only color Nitrous bottles should EVER BE!) before a run. I guess the "noss" thing is a bastardization of the term N.O.S. by ghetto ricers who were too young to know, and too dumb to ask.

There's no reason to "ice" a nitrous bottle.  Chilling a bottle will only lower the internal pressure which in turn will lower the flow rate, possibly causing an overly rich air/fuel mixture reducing optimal power. 

Bottle temp of 70 - 90* F should provide optimal power.  You want cylinder pressure in the range of 900 - 1,000lbs. 

Conversely, there are bottle heaters for use in cooler climates.  Yet, you should never over-heat a bottle unless you're trying to create a bottle bomb.

There's no reason to "ice" a nitrous bottle.  Chilling a bottle will only lower the internal pressure which in turn will lower the flow rate, possibly causing an overly rich air/fuel mixture reducing optimal power. 

Yeah, I know that now, but back then, EVERYONE iced their bottles, I guess one of those trends......The guys who were going fast were doing it, so then everyone else started doing it. Like some Smokey Yunick thing, or how when Jackie Stewart had those long sideburns. Some of the other guys grew them, too, just because he was so fast, hahaha....

It stood for Nitrous Oxide Systems, and as far as I remember, were like THE ONLY company who made nitrous kits back then.

FYI- In the 80's N.O.S. was one of a few, Marvin Miller was bigger in the 80's then N.O.S. You also had Lazar who made the most HP. 250hp average and 400hp from a plate system. Moroso got into making units, and a company called I.C.E. owned by Ram Clutches. N.O.S units avertized 150hp you would expect @75-100hp, Lazars 100hp you would get @ 150 hp. N.O.S got rid of the myth that nitrous broke engines by have consevertive ratings and became the biggest. Moroso's units were very disappointing. When you hit those units the car felt like the secondaries open up. Lazar had Stage Ones-100hp, Stage Two's (most popular)-200hp, Magnum's-300hp and Super Magnum's-400hp, this was in the 80's, and trial by fire was most common. Hyd a motor was common then not many backed off the timing. 12 second cars became 10 second cars and 10-9 sec cars were now 8 sec cars. We cracked blocks, melted the block deck between cylinders, bend con rods and still have the motor run as it clearence it self. Oh and BTW you show your age on how you call nitrous- we called it ANNN-OHHH-EEES and today's motor head calls it nos as one word. No real reson for this post you just reminded me of the 80's with your post.