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Posted: 12/27/06
04:47 PM
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I can discuss and debate just fine, but when morons like you start talking smack, you deserve 4 letter words. ***
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mopar452
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Posted: 12/27/06
04:50 PM
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What could you possibly expect when a chevy is racing another chevy? And lets not get into factoring. Was it chevy that kicked Ferrari's but at LeMans or was it Ford? Where was chevy in SS/AH, SS/B, SS/E, SS/MA? And lets not forget when a RM dirt bike or Arctic Cat wins a race with a bowtie sticker on it, "and chevy wins again!!!". Why build a 383 shiby when Ma Mopar built the 383 the right way from the factory?
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mopar452
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Posted: 12/27/06
04:54 PM
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I got your milk and cookies right here cry baby, yum, yum, yummmm. Go suck your thumb now. Why build a 383 shiby when Ma Mopar built the 383 the right way from the factory?
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JCharlieM
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Posted: 12/27/06
08:49 PM
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"What could you possibly expect when a chevy is racing another chevy? And lets not get into factoring. Was it chevy that kicked Ferrari's but at LeMans or was it Ford? Where was chevy in SS/AH, SS/B, SS/E, SS/MA? And lets not forget when a RM dirt bike or Arctic Cat wins a race with a bowtie sticker on it, "and chevy wins again!!!"."
You can try all you wish to tangle the web, and attempt to interpret history to your advantage. However, facts can't be disputed. The small Chevy has won more races than any other motor. Period. End of story.
You certainly don't need to like it; but, it is what it is. ![]()
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monte85
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Posted: 12/28/06
02:28 PM
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I was just trying to make a joke, i didnt think it would bring up this much debate. If you put enough money into any kind of engine you can get a lot of power, but it has been my experience that it is alot cheaper and easier to get power if you start with a larger bore engine than a 305. My monte had a 305 out of a 79 malibu when i got it. it had a mild crane cam, headers, and a edlebrock 600 cfm carburator. all that did was make it use more gas, it still was a turd. I know it wouldnt make much with the stock heads, but i didnt have the time and money to get better heads and pistons.
Chris
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Posted: 12/28/06
02:36 PM
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Back to the original spirit of the post, have you thought of cleaning the block, putting a thick glass over it and making it a coffee table? Just don't leave a ruler out and the casual observer might think it's a 350.
The Silver Buick- '77 Skylark coupe w/455&TKO-600, '72 Centurion Conv't - 455w/TH400, '67 T-bird 4Dr (suicide) w/428&C6. Needing to replace a '69 Firebird 400.
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monte85
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Posted: 12/28/06
02:42 PM
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sounds like a good idea, but every time i looked at it i would know the truth ![]() and anyway why clean it? dont they call that patina
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Posted: 12/28/06
07:52 PM
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I got a pair of sissors and a mirror, now go cut your mullet you trash talking sumbitch
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mopar452
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Posted: 12/30/06
08:00 AM
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Yep, they sure have:
CART Season Champions: (1979 to 2003)
[" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Champ_Car&action=edit§ion=11" target='_blank'>edit] Champ Car World Series Season Champions: (2004—)
Champ Car. (2006, December 26). In Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Retrieved 15:58, December 30, 2006, from http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Champ_Car&oldid=96536324
Why build a 383 shiby when Ma Mopar built the 383 the right way from the factory?
Edited 12/30/2006 8:11 am ET by mopar452
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mopar452
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Posted: 12/30/06
10:37 AM
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About time we shut this sub 4" bore myth up and kick it in its but:
http://www.popularhotrodding.com/enginemasters/articles/chevrolet/0667_phrs_305_chevy_engine_blocks/
Something that was not tried on the 305 in this build was a longer rod. Historically longer rods used in sub 4" bore engines made outstanding horsepower per cubic inch from the factory:
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CID |
265 |
283 |
305 |
273 |
L76 326 |
350 |
Bore |
3.75 |
3.875 |
3.74 |
3.63 |
3.72 |
3.876 |
Stroke |
3 |
3 |
3.48 |
3.31 |
3.75 |
3.75 |
Rod L |
5.7 |
5.7 |
5.7 |
6.123 |
6.625 |
6.625 |
R/S ratio |
1.9 |
1.9 |
1.63 |
1.85 |
1.766 |
1.766 |
B/S Ratio |
1.25 |
1.29 |
1.07 |
1.09 |
0.99 |
1.03 |
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225g |
315g |
230n |
275g |
285g |
325g |
Torque |
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300 |
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HP/CID |
0.849 |
1.113 |
0.754 |
1.007 |
0.874 |
0.928 |
Why build a 383 shiby when Ma Mopar built the 383 the right way from the factory?
Edited 12/30/2006 11:02 am ET by mopar452
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mopar452
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Posted: 12/30/06
10:52 AM
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Hmmmmm, didnt the 283 have a 3.875" bore? I believe the 307 had the same bore size. Why build a 383 shiby when Ma Mopar built the 383 the right way from the factory?
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JCharlieM
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Posted: 12/30/06
10:58 AM
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"About time we shut this sub 4" bore myth up and kick it in its but:"
Wow! 372 ponies from a small-block. 1.2hp/cid. Big deal.
Bone up on the small-block Chevy, and you'll realize some day that the 4" bore is a big deal when it comes to the lil' mouse motor. ![]()
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JCharlieM
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Posted: 12/30/06
11:08 AM
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The 283 and 307 did share the same bore.
Many old-school rodders would bore their 283 to a 4" bore - resulting in a 302ci. Awww. Backyard hacks actually created the 302ci before Chevy did in '67.
In 1958, the engine mount bosses were cast into the blocks. The 1958 283 cores had a lot of meat in the cylinder walls and could accomodate the 1/8" cut. I've never known of a 307ci core which could handle that large of an overbore, resulting in a 4" diameter.
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mopar452
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Posted: 12/30/06
11:09 AM
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Oh but a 420hp 350 is a big deal?! Its kind of like this, I prove that a 305 can make decent power against your arguement that the 305 is worthless and the best arguement you can come up with is one without proof or facts. In a court of law that would mean that you lose. Your arguement is like a cup full of holes. You can not support your arguement that sub 4" bore engines cant make power. You should rethink your logic JC by taking the blinders off. Why build a 383 shiby when Ma Mopar built the 383 the right way from the factory?
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JCharlieM
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Posted: 12/30/06
11:13 AM
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I think you may be the one missing it. I don't recall ever stating that a 305 is total junk. They did what they were intended to do.
My only point has been... why invest $cratch in a 305 when you'd get a bigger bang for the same amount of money if used on a mill with a larger bore. It's all really pretty basic stuff. BTDT.
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