horrible ergonomics ? poor build quality ? no back seat ? ....sounds like you just described every mustang ever made ..... and as far as fuel economy goes there are no other  performance cars on the market that got the kind of fuel economy those cars got.....I"ve owned many f-bodies with different levels of upgrades and they never ceased to amaze me as to just how good they were on mileage.....my 94 TA with 4:10 gears would average 31 miles to the gallon on the highway.......granted, if you keep your foot planted in it, that drops quite a bit, but other wise, it was great on gas  

Hell, GM could make a smaller engine that makes the same power or more at the same cubic inch if thats what intended to do. (and i've never agured on the corvettes behalf). no i dont admire the power they make from a smaller engine, (unless its those cart motors that start as 5 h.p briggs and strattons and end up at 40 some horse, thats amazing). I believe GM uses more cubic inches for reliablity. that way they dont have to use more radical parts to make more power. Oh yes, i am jealous of mustangs. i admit it, u caught the tator. i cant wait to get behind the wheel of raw 5.0 horsepower, oh ya, amazing. ok, enough of the ####. If im in envy of the mustang, you envy the nova because you dis on it just as much as i do the mustang.. only i have reason, but thats besides the point. The last gen firebirds were very good looking also, I dont know how you can overlook that. About that rather drive a honda than a nova, have fun in the slow lane.

Uh. . .  Because there ISN'T any "new Camaro," Mr. Cooch.

Sorry. How 'bout a nice FWD Cobalt or FWD Impala?

(I guess that little news tidbit didn't make to all the hot-beds of F-Body interest (read: trailer parks))

This ignores the fact that the free market decided that Mustang would survive and the F-Bodies would die.

As long as we're trading anecdotes, I tested a 4th Gen Z28 before I bought my SVT Cobra.

I squeezed myself in Z28's miniscule backseat (which if memory serves was a couple of child-sized tiny buckets wedged in between a large driveshaft tunnel). My head hit the massive, heavy, brain cooker rear hatchback window as I tried to sit up (Rear headroom is only 35.3 inches).  I wedged my left leg between the front bucket and the door panel (only 26.8 inches of rear leg room).  

I could see little because of the Z's huge B/C pillars (no rear side windows), but I knew the sun was still shining because my head and neck started to bake under the "brain cooker."  When I wanted to see out, I twisted my neck and peeked around the front seat (where about all I could see was the sky).

Then I tried to extricate myself from the crater/seat!

I've always wondered why we don't use F-Bodies for interrogation chambers at Gitmo . . . I guess it's just too close to torture!

For the record, my SVT Cobra has over 3 inches more legroom (29.9) and almost a half-inch more rear headroom. Sure, it's not a Lincoln Town Car, but  its leather-lined rear seat isn't depressed in a crater hiding inside a duck blind like the last F-body, either. 

And my U.S.A. built Mustang is still virtually rattle-free (the Canadian Z28 was trying to disassemble its interior during the test drive). 

And my Mustang SVT Cobra is over ONE FOOT SHORTER than the dearly departed 4th Gen F (183.2  inches vs. 193.5) and an inch narrower (74.1 vs. 73.1). I can actually see the hood from the driver's seat .  And the magnificent MOD Cammer isn't hidden half-way under the cowl like in the last Camaro.

I'd even go as far as to say that 3rd and 4th gen fbodies were inferior to mustangs.  I'm a proud second gen own myself, I'd have to say even a gutless 79 z28 is still a hell of a lot better than a mustang II.  Mustangs outsold camaros almost all of the time, with the exception of the pintostang years.  With the exception of a few cars, the best set up mustangs were always faster than the best set up fbody.  305 TBI anybody?  4th gens were lacking significantly in the looks department, even if they were faster than mustangs stock vs stock.  Performance itself does not sell large amounts of cars, I'm not surprised that the f-body didnt' sell.  Most mustang buyers want a sporty good looking rwd coupe, they're not concerned about dragging it every sunday.  I just hope if they bring back the camaro GM doesn't screw it up like I think they will.  If there's an ecotech in it i'll be pissed.

LOL....I love ththat it's 2005, the ricers are taking over but we can still argue amongst ourselves about Ford vs. Chevy. Look, you don't like my car, I don't like your car ( and yes I've owned both ) and no matter what we say to each other we're not going to convince the other that we're right. You find the same things good about your car that I do, and I find the same things wrong with your car that you find about mine. Hell, I guess at least this fights off boredom....now, I need to go find a Honda to smoke.  

Mustangs are crap the only thing they got going for them is being light.  They are the ultimate chick car.  90% of the 'stangs I see driven on the road are by girls.  Nad not to mention 50% of the cars on the road are mustangs.  thats because they are the only half decent car that ford can make.  By the way novas are much better than any mustang because you are not very likely to pull up next to another one.  Why would you want a car that everybody else drives.

i agree. sure novas are becoming more popular with the racing crowd now, but there still isn't an over abundance of them. they make perfect street drivers. I can fit 5 in mine, have plenty of room in the truck for coolers of "beverages", and have plenty of power at the pedal.  

Oh so now two of you are latent Mustang fans? I must admit I despise Novas, why you ask ? Because every low-life scum bag worthless piece of crap when I was a dumb-ass kid your age had one of those annoying rust catchers. As far as unique goes, yes at this point your Nova is harder to find than my Mustang. But my Mustang is a daily driver. My 67 Falcon is rarer than your Nova ever will be and no doubt cooler than most every Mustang as well. Now when it comes to bigger engines being more reliable hmmmm maybe that is why GM keeps building it ..or MAYBE it is because thet just got caught with their pants down and did not have the money to design a newer technology motor because they were redesigning the Cadavalier for the 10th time or bringing out the Regretta. Hmmmmm naw could not be either of those. Or killing the one wicked car GM did build which was the Grand National. Yeah GM really has you guys who built them into a performance company number one in their minds. Oh yeah and was already stated the Mustang did kill the Camaro/Firebird . And for all of that all of us except those who drank the GM koolaid are grateful.    

Are you paying attention to who drives mustangs these days? I believe they are the worthless pieces of crap. Any kid who thinks he's gonna have a fast car, buys a mustang, puts long a$s chrome tips on the exhaust, tints the windows, puts big rims on it, and thinks it runs 10's. My nova is also a daily driver, heck I drove it through the winter 25 miles to work without much of a problem. No, they haven't been caught with their pants down, but there is no use in redesigning and making a smaller engine when what they are using works great. Oh yes, GM is not a performance company, wow I can't believe I didn't see that. Its not like they make corvettes, or gto's, or them cadillacs that are out kicking butt. No no, i was all wrong, i mean the mustang is just fasters than those cars I just mentioned. my bad...ha *** YOU!  

You know what bat man wannabe at least GM kept the old performance names impala, gto, corvette and now they have a new car a little cobalt I tell you what I sure as hell wouldnt mind owning a ss witch I heard can come with a supercharger and know rumors are going around that the F-bodies might be coming back oh and what does ford have a hideous 05 stang and the last gen was a rice burnig copy cat I know my car isnt the rarest car out there but I sure as hell would rather drive that than a rice burner copycat (mustang) oh yah what the f*#k is with that last gen thunder chicken at least gms longest lasting muscle car doesnt look like an old grandma crusier or is that your idea of good look if thats it then you should be shot or take another look at the 4th gen f-cars cause they look a hell of a lot better than those peices of ####             (so keep your rice burner i mean mustang) so none of us real guys wil;l ever have to drive those piles of crap.  One last thing

GO *** yourself

Boy you and Brady sure are touchy . Resorting to calling names. Sure alot of these kids who buy these things thinking they can just throw them together and run tens are deluding themselves. However no worse than you two silly boys. Yep I have a Mustang it is a 302 it also is a 82 and has been modified to make it more servicable and run quicker. I do not seem to recall it having any "ricer" parts on it though.  By the tone you two have taken I have really touched a nerve. I think a Ford Family intervention is really what is required. You two both have a problem and like a addict you need to admit that yes you do have a problem, you both really LOVE the new Mustang . You just are too ashamed to admit it . Look it is ok , come in off the ledge, no need to call me names, but hey if it makes the both of you feel better no problem. I have been called far worse by much better and since you too really are Mustangers in Chevy clothing it is ok you are merely misguided. As far as GM goes, hey their recent troubles just proves one thing , the Emporer has no clothes. Ford well never be the number on car Maker in the US . I have no problem with that after all if they keep building and selling fine cars like the Mustang more power to them. One last thing I would rather they not use names like Torino or Galaxy or Fairlane to merely slap on some front driver familuy car. Why sully a good name . Itr also shows more strength to come up with a new name that just trot out some old cherished name and try to foist it off on the great unwashed illiterate doofus who happens to stumble in to a GM dealership loking for a car like his Grampa owned.      

They can't see the forest for the trees.  The mustang is one of the best performance cars on the market for your dollar.  And they look good to boot.  The cobalt SS may come within .5 a second at the track, but at the end of the night you're still driving a hopped up cavalier.  Not to mention that fwd is going to be a huge barrier to going much quicker.  I own 2 gm's, but I dont' consider myself that biased.  I would love a new hemi charger or a new mustang gt as a daily driver.  Beats the #### out of the other options that come from overseas.  350Z? Audi TT? S2000? Eclipse?  No thanks.

wow, things have really heated up in here.  I cant believe that people cant respect another brand.  You know, I get whiplash when I see an old (meaning before 1972 for the most part) GM, Ford, or Mopar product going the other direction on the street.  I may not want to own one, but I sure as hell respect the people who are buying those as opposed to the Honda Civics, putting a wing on them, and saying they are fast.  As a whole, the Mopar guys are moving in the right direction (benifits of all that Mercedees money coming in).  They are moving to rear wheel drive, and drastically updating styling.  Not to mention the new Hemi's are pretty amazing.  Ford and GM are making the transition a little slower.  Ford's got the Mustang and the GT (to recreate that shape and then build it was simply amazing).  GM's got the Vette, the Caddies, and the Goat.  The GTO gets the same mileage as the 'Stang and has 100 more horsepower.  I don't think the big displacement is hurting too awful much.  As far as the Cobalt, why would you consider a car that has a hopped up four cylinder that is already boosted (supercharger) and only runs 14's.  You can drop about ten grand into that thing and run 13's...if you're lucky.  The fact is, if your bias takes you away from a V8 powered car with rear wheel drive, you really have problems.  Just think, if you buy enough Mustangs, Chargers, and GTO's, somebody's gonna get the hint and start building other performance machines.  If you start buying hopped up four bangers with a big wing, thats what they are going to make.  

If you want a new camaro, try this...buy a 69 camaro (since thats what everyone wants the new one to look like) buy an LS1,LS2,or LS7, bolt it to a modern overdrive, put a new coat of paint on it, freshen the interior and call it done...it'll probably cost about the same as a new one anyway...and I guarantee it looks better than any retro styling could make it look (we're talking about GM here...com'on, seriously).

If you like the new 'Stang, buy it!  It'll make other companies such as GM realize they need to tap into that market.  Even if you don't like the camaro, it was always more fun when GM and Ford were fighting with real cars...and not an imaginary Camaro.

I like all fast cars mopar/gm/ford  that said

the mustang lives  as a 60's wannabe..

not thats all bad...

the b!tching about the f body build quality is old news...  it was that way from day one '82  3rd  gen... (the 4th gen  is the 3rd gen with a freshing up) 

what killed the f body wasn't the mustang...

it was usefullness.........   it was a kids car tooled up in the 70's when a new one ('82) was ten g's out the door...  kids could afford that...  the same car mostly( '02) was priced out of the market that it was made for in the first place...  no kid can buy a 30 g's car and the high insurance that a teen is hit with.......

that my friends killed it off..

the mustang is passable if you have a family to tote around(kinda)

the mustang was also built on a platform that other ford cars used, that inturn made it cheaper for for to build...  the f body was all by it self..  that in turn killed it (not cheap to build and make money)

is one better than the other...  no!!!

if  g m is to bring back the f body   it need to be built on a platform that other cars would be built from...

say  a all wheel drive platform...  that way you have the front wheel drive bread and butter cars,the rearwheel drive midsize cars,the pony cars, and a allwheel drive upscale car,and an allwheel drive family car for the snowbelt,and the mid size suv!!!!   all from one platform...

can that be done!!!!!!!!!!   yes  but not with the beancounters that ran g m into the ground now!!!!!!!!!

the chairman and the board  all need to be axed!!!!!!!!!

then the stylest  need a blow to the head....

then and only then  will the f body  be back..  the way we want it...