Oh yeah IMHO Rowdys car exemplifies the whole motorhead/hotrodder/car guy genre as well as the twin turbo poncho.These cars portay the kind of people we are.Our mind set,our form of therapy,whatever you want to call it.Our collective "ID" perhaps. As for "bolt ons"(you sound like you use it to suggest we are slumming)I dont care what it costs or where it comes from Or who is useing it,generally any part has to be "bolted on"I honestly think you were not trying to dis anyone or their "whips"but dude lighten up.Sheesh I thought I was anal.We do it because we love it.Hard core or not we all bleed 50 weight.  

I've seen him asked before, and like this time it was ignored (I like how it was the only part of Monte's statement that had a question mark and it was also the only part left out in the quote).  If he's got a JY Turbo 460 (since they're cheap to build) in a 60's Ford (since they're the only cars that matter) he should be sending in pictures of it to CC for the reader rides, I'd be interested in seeing it.  

In response to dr511scj_1's comments, after reading your posts again I understand that you had a problem with the chevelle being compaired to the 55 chevy, which you have a point, but you still seem to be looking down on people who build cars using stock and more common aftermarket parts.  It is this judging of less expensive and milder cars that I, and I think the others in this post, have a problem with.  By using phrases like "whip", "pure junk", "guys like little rowdy", and "simple, primitive, low-tech pathos" you come across as a guy who thinks that unless someone spends tens of thousands of dollars on a one of a kind and completely custom car employing high dollar technology that the car isn't worth even looking at.  Not knowing you I may be completely off base, but this is the impression that I got reading your comments.  

By the way the "brand racism" comments may not really apply here, it is something that as a chevy owner I have to deal with alot and sometimes get a little too defensive about, which, I think, most chevy owners will tell you the same.  

At first I tended to agree with dr511scj_1 that the Chevelle in question isn't exactly modern day Two Lane Blacktop material. The initial value of a classic muscle car is so great that you're just way better off starting with something like a fox body or thirdgen which can be had for $1500 or less. I've gone through a string of nice Mopars, but when I decided I really wanted to go fast I sold my big block Satellite for $8000 and built a SBC car that will just annihilate it for about the same amount of money. The thing is, it sounds like Rowdy has had that Chevelle forever and transformed it from a high school jalopy into a wicked primered street machine. So I'm OK with the two lane comparison. All I want to know is what dr511scj_1  drives???  

Does what I drive really have any bearing on the points that I raise?

Once you start bragging on your "whips," people start to pigeon-hole you. (Or mooch free/cheap parts . . . or steal your stuff).

If you really need to know about what I sometimes drive . . . . (in ascending order of age)

1 & 2. 1961 Rambler Classic Super Cross Country 6 (okay, I haven't really driven it under its own power yet, but both it and the matching parts car did roll onto and off of the trailer . . . .)

3. 1962 MG Midget (needs a top and a master cylinder . . . sub-primitive motoring at its best)

4. 1964 Chevrolet Biscayne (I have a Pontiac OHC 6 Sprint 4bbl that I'm thinking about "twincharging" and swapping in some day . . . and no, it's not for sale)

5. 1967 Ford Falcon Futura Sport Coupe(turbo car under construction -- top secret)

6. 1969 Pontiac Grand Prix SJ (Original, 70,000-mile, numbers matching 428-cube REAL PONTIAC with typical bolt ons, TH400 and a Saf-T-Track diff -- Needs a paint job, a new front bumper, and it's starting to float the valves a tad)

7. 1970 Ford F-100 302 (Lost the keys last week and it's blocking in my PSD, primitive motoring at its finest)

8. 1978 Porsche 924 (It did run . . . once upon a time . . . now it's in the way in the shop)

9. 1984 Ford Thunderbird Turbo Coupe (farm-fresh heap that may become a NASA American Iron race car or an open track car someday.  READ: a fetid rat's nest)

10. 1984 Ford F-250 6.9 diesel 2WD (Ran until the head gasket blew towing a trailer . . .  no time to fix it . . . too many other trucks . . . .)

11. 1987 Ford Thunderbird Turbo Coupe (beater with minor tweaks and loud pipes . . . you don't need mufflers with a turbo . . . .)

12. 1987 Ford Thunderbird Turbo Coupe (currently jacked up in the shop for an in-tank fuel pump change/upgrade)

13. 1987 Ford Thunderbird Turbo Coupe (V8 engine on a stand in the shop (it will be turbocharged, of course . . . and a sleeper))

14. 1988 Ford Thunderbird Turbo Coupe (90,000 mile "runner" that easily passes the NASA 50/50 rule,  but I'm trying to figure out how to remove the cheesy aftermarket "ground effects kit" (without hacking up the paint) so I can take off the passenger-side front fender, so I can pull the passenger-side door bolts, so I can take off the door and remove the latch that's stuck shut and slightly ajar . . . . The battery's in my PSD at the moment)

15. 1988 Ford Thunderbird Turbo Coupe (Needs brakes, tires, a timing belt, a SPOUT connector, and a good cleaning . . . but it's an automatic, so why bother)

16. 1988 Ford Thunderbird 5.0 (bought from a kid that wrecked it and then popped the freeze plugs in the winter (check your anti freeze). . . still fun to burn around the yard it it on short blasts, though (no muffler, of course), . . . will become a parts donor for the '70 F-100 (AOD, EFI, accessory drive brackets)).

17. 1998 SVT Mustang Cobra (31,000 miles, too nice to hack)

18. 1999 Ford F-250 PowerStroke/6 Speed manual/2WD (blocked in by the F-100)

19. 2003 SVT Focus 5 door (respectable auto-Xer; low-profile commuter whip; have driven it in 17 states and on the Power Tour (not a long hauler though)

20. 2004 Mercury Marauder (DOHC 32V 302 h.p. V8, 18" wheels, Traction-Lok . . . still thinking about the Pro Turbo kit, but the Eaton Roots seems to be what the Marauder club members recommend. If HP Turbo only made a twin kit for the Panther body . . . .)  

(You should see my insurance bill (thank goodness for collector car insurance policies))

Did I mention that Freiburger is my automotive hero . . . .  

None of us know where you live...I'd say your collection is safe.

Went to a junk yard a couple years back that does a pretty good job of saving old cars...he had a 69 Grand Prix with a 428...if I had the $750 and the space to keep it at the time, I would have bought it.  I think they are really cool cars.  I've also seen one of those Pontiac OHC 6's in either a tempest or le mans...can't remember which.  That was when I bought my second parts car for my Cutlass.  Those are neat little motors.

But now its obvious where your turbo obsession comes from with all those turbo coupes!  Or perhaps its because of the turbo obsession you have all the turbo coupes?

Either way...nice collection.  Puts my three to shame...  

monte85:
In response to dr511scj_1's comments, after reading your posts again I understand that you had a problem with the chevelle being compaired to the 55 chevy, which you have a point, but you still seem to be looking down on people who build cars using stock and more common aftermarket parts.  It is this judging of less expensive and milder cars that I, and I think the others in this post, have a problem with.  By using phrases like "whip", "pure junk", "guys like little rowdy", and "simple, primitive, low-tech pathos" you come across as a guy who thinks that unless someone spends tens of thousands of dollars on a one of a kind and completely custom car employing high dollar technology that the car isn't worth even looking at.  Not knowing you I may be completely off base, but this is the impression that I got reading your comments.  

By the way the "brand racism" comments may not really apply here, it is something that as a chevy owner I have to deal with alot and sometimes get a little too defensive about, which, I think, most chevy owners will tell you the same.

I obviously would be an expert on "pure junk" . . . .

BTW, I don't think I ever wrote the phrase "little rowdy."

I appreciate the full spectrum of the automotive hobby (from low-buck rat-rodding and JY builds to Pebble Beach . . . Okay, I DO hate monster trucks, most Hondas and low riders . . . .)  

The turbo "obsession" predates the Turbo Coupes and started as a kid when I read a Tom McCahill road/Daytona International Speedway test of a turbocharged 1966 Dodge Dart in one of my Dad's Mechanix Illustrated magazines.

The simple efficiency of turbos appeals to my engineering sensibilities.

BTW, my first turbo car was a 1986 Ford Mustang SVO (which is really where my Turbo Coupe "obsession" began).

And I virtually flunked a semester of college once because of a 700 h.p. Gale Banks SBC turbo kit (long story omitted)  

Ah, good, that's a hefty collection, now Turbocharge that Pontiac 428 in the '69 and get it featured in CC!  

TheSilverBuick:
Ah, good, that's a hefty collection, now Turbocharge that Pontiac 428 in the '69 and get it featured in CC!

I used to think about the old, crappy HO Racing turbo kit from the 1980s (single T04B, no intercooler, blow-through Q-Jet) . . . and I've thought about the www.turbopontiacs.com turbo headers for a couple of months since I saw them in Hot Rod.

But the '69 is too nice to hack up with a 6-point bar and with 10.75:1 compression and cast rods, the 428 wouldn't be a real good candidate for a turbo (without an expensive visit to Jim Butler, that is).

I'll guess I'll just have to make do with the V8 Turbo Coupe and the "top secret" Falcon . . . .

And I'll probably leave the fame of having a turbo car appearing in CC to somebody who really needs it. (I try to keep a low profile)  

Ah true about the Pontiac's compression being trouble. So when will the "Secret" be complete?  

Maybe CC should feature dr511scj_1 for This Guy's Garage!?!
(although it doesn't sound like all 20 cars are actually *in* the garage ;-)  

I was expecting something to have a 511 ci or hp super cobra jet, as per his name implies. Regardless, I could have alot of fun with the turbo cars, but, admittedly, most would find their way into dune buggies.

The current Hot Rod has a twin turbo, BBC, 1963 Pontiac Tempest. Very different, innovative and, apparently pretty *** fast.  

andy85camaro:
Maybe CC should feature dr511scj_1 for This Guy's Garage!?!
(although it doesn't sound like all 20 cars are actually *in* the garage ;-)

True, it takes more than one building to house that much "pure junk."

I'm not too excited about "This Guy's Garage" because it seems almost like putting out a "steal me" sign.   And the ones they run are sanitary and filled with exotic bling.  Who would want to see a "man cave" stocked with a flock of decrepit Thunderbirds and Ramblers (and various parts of same)?  

TheSilverBuick:
Ah true about the Pontiac's compression being trouble. So when will the "Secret" be complete?

Is any true project EVER complete?  

If I had to speculate when "top secret" prototype testing will begin, I'd say 18 to 24 months. Of course I started working through the turbo sizing formulas and collecting parts during the Reagan Administration, and got the body during the first Gulf War, so it's been a long "build."